"No Outside Game," or Another Thread About Hybrid Arts

[KPM]

Advies slow it down and watch again, first footage from 0.0s. Kicker pushes off rear foot, strangely rear foot touches, then front foot touches, kicker flies through the air and rear leg touches again just before kick lands.So looking again appears to be 3 stage movement, 2 jumpy steps and then the kick.

I would call it a pretty different approach to punching in WSL VT, and would be slower and more telegraphed in my opinion. Not to say it wouldn't work, but not really doing the same thing

Watch the second video. When done it really is smooth and fast and not multiple steps as you seem to think. Please post a video of the comparable WSLVT punch from a long distance that you have been referring to.

 

[KPM]

Somone looks like he has something to sell... or he's trolling.

Yes. That seems to be what is happening. If he is not Guy, then he is certainly cut from the same cloth!

 

[wingchun100]

Are you a Wing Chun practitioner?

Yes.

 

[Hazardi172]

Interesting take. With a good understanding of Wing Chun, the "outside game" isn't a real issue. IMHO, there's no need to and separate the "zones" or "gates" etc.. into areas in which Wing Chun is effective or not. Our job as practitioners is to make the system work for us. If a Wing Chun practitioner has an issue with what do when "outside", then they should try and find the answers within the system.

Great post! I agree

 

[Hazardi172]

Yes. That seems to be what is happening. If he is not Guy, then he is certainly cut from the same cloth!

I am not selling anything, merely suggesting that WSL VT might be a thing to try if you want to try a different way!

You also know I am not Guy, because I have told you many times. I can't really understand why you keep repeating it here?

Best wishes

 

[Callen]

Yes.

My apologies wingchun100, I was asking Kung Fu Wang out of curiosity.

 

[Hazardi172]

Doesn't matter matter what art, traditional or otherwise, you are either blocked, trapped, or simply gone, if you telegraph a punch.

Was talkiing about telegraphed kick in the video. WSL VT punches are as untelegraphed as it gets

 

[wingchun100]

My apologies wingchun100, I was asking Kung Fu Wang out of curiosity.

Oh, I thought you were talking to me because my comment was quoted in that response.

 

[Callen]

Oh, I thought you were talking to me because my comment was quoted in that response.

I was responding to your initial post as well, just not the question directed towards Kung Fu Wang. The quote below was my response to you

Interesting take. With a good understanding of Wing Chun, the "outside game" isn't a real issue. IMHO, there's no need to and separate the "zones" or "gates" etc.. into areas in which Wing Chun is effective or not. Our job as practitioners is to make the system work for us. If a Wing Chun practitioner has an issue with what do when "outside", then they should try and find the answers within the system.

Guro Dan once talked about the subject in regards to Bruce Lee's attitude towards Wing Chun in general. Bruce was not as good with the system as some of his classmates, such as Hawkins Cheung for instance, so Bruce liked to stay outside because he was not as comfortable on the inside.

 

[drop bear]

Again, you have received several words of advice so far as to how to post less like Guy. But you seem to ignore that advice. Why is that?

I may

Again, you have received several words of advice so far as to how to post less like Guy. But you seem to ignore that advice. Why is that?

I may as well mention this regardless of where i stand on the rest of the discussion. Because it is just irritating me.

This tact you are taking is kind of insane.

You have as much evidence that this poster is guy as i do that you murder puppies.

You cant accuse people of something that you have no evidence of. You are using a cheap tactic.

 

[Transk53]

Was talkiing about telegraphed kick in the video. WSL VT punches are as untelegraphed as it gets

Rubbish.

 

[Transk53]

I may


I may as well mention this regardless of where i stand on the rest of the discussion. Because it is just irritating me.

This tact you are taking is kind of insane.

You have as much evidence that this poster is guy as i do that you murder puppies.

You cant accuse people of something that you have no evidence of. You are using a cheap tactic.

You not noticed the bad grammar in general in what is not WSL VT, then suddenly becomes correct when it is WSL VT? Not to mention his sycophant LFJ who had seemingly disappeared.

 

[Callen]

Rubbish.

It's true, proper WSLVT punches are indeed un-telegraphed. Most punching in the Wing Chun system in general should be more or less driven straight forward from the elbow and not the shoulder. We like to call this "the pocket".

 

[drop bear]

You not noticed the bad grammar in general in what is not WSL VT, then suddenly becomes correct when it is WSL VT? Not to mention his sycophant LFJ who had seemingly disappeared.

Have you noticed you never see KPM around live puppies.

 

[Transk53]

It's true, proper WSLVT punches are indeed un-telegraphed. Most punching in the Wing Chun system in general should be more or less driven straight forward from the elbow and not the shoulder. We like to call this "the pocket".

The pocket can be expansive or not as much as you like. A pocket is a response to overwhelming force, thus a response in defensive tactics in which to break out.

 

[Juany118]

Actually, the only thing he has wrong in his equation is that he's citing velocity, rather than acceleration. That's actually only a difference in timing (acceleration is a function of the velocity at the moment of initial impact). And if you don't recognize those physics in relation to your punch, then you don't understand your punch. There's no strike that is exempt from these basic biomechanics and physics.

You're getting condescending again ("it's going to be embarrassing").

Thank you for that correction. I got sidetracked and started talking velocity because of thinking, when over extended, of the times you can on the "wrong side" of the acceleration curve and I pictured the "peak" as maximum velocity vs acceleration due to lack of sleep . It happens, especially when I just moved to the Vampire shift for 4 months on Jan 2. 45 years old doesn't adapt to that as easily as 25 did. Lol

But again you hit on my key points. For any particular punch, whether it be on a straight line or an arch there is a spot where your footwork and body mechanics allow for optimal mass to be applied behind the punch and for the optimal extension of said striking limb for optimal acceleration. That place is "the sweet spot."

 

[Transk53]

Have you noticed you never see KPM around live puppies.

No lol.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

proper WSLVT punches are indeed un-telegraphed.

If you punch from a fighting stance, you are already telegraphed your punch. As far as I know, only the Zimen system trains how to punch from "hands drop next to the knees" position. The

- hand goes first,
- elbow chases the hand,
- shoulder chases the elbow,
- the body chases the shoulder.

In the following clip, you can see his hand doesn't punch from the

- waist (as long fist), or
- high chest (as WC).

Most strikes come from "hand drop below the knee" position. Since the Zimen system has no "fighting stance". It's the only CMA style that I know that has the minimum telegraphing during striking.

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[KPM]

You have as much evidence that this poster is guy as i do that you murder puppies.
.

Hazardi showed up within a week of Guy being banned. Hazardi is a WSLVT guy that has used many of the same arguments and said many of the same things that Guy has in the past. Harardi has the same posting and discussion style as Guy. Now all that may be a coincidence, but you have to admit that it is one heck of a coincidence! Now, what evidence to you have that I murder puppies?

 

[Callen]

If you punch from a fighting stance, you are already telegraphed your punch.

That's a bit of a stretch. If we're talking about "telegraphing", as in reading that the punch is going to happen... in the context of Wing Chun it's very hard to see a proper punch coming from any stance. Especially if the shoulders are square to the opponent as they should be.

Thanks for sharing the video. Great resource!