"No Outside Game," or Another Thread About Hybrid Arts

[KPM]

Punch!

That is not an explanation Guy! Please refer back to my previous word of advice!

 

[Hazardi172]

Actually, the only thing he has wrong in his equation is that he's citing velocity, rather than acceleration. That's actually only a difference in timing (acceleration is a function of the velocity at the moment of initial impact). And if you don't recognize those physics in relation to your punch, then you don't understand your punch. There's no strike that is exempt from these basic biomechanics and physics.

He did get his equation wrong, which doesn't make me confident he knows what he is talking about, or that it will bring any light to the situation we are discussing. I have seen people bring in the pseudo physics discussion on forums before and usually it isn't helpful because nobody is a physicist or engineer.

In this particular instance I would say that the F=ma equation is the wrong one to look at the problem. Momentum much more useful for colliding bodies problems

 

[KPM]

The kind of step used with punching from far out in VT loads the weights so that kicking impossible immediately. The step for a kick is shorter and more balanced

Only in WSLVT. We are talking about facing people other than Wing Chun people. Again, you repeatedly make it sound like you only spar with people within your own school also doing Wing Chun.

 

[Hazardi172]

That is not an explanation Guy! Please refer back to my previous word of advice!

Please stop harassing me. I am not Guy

 

[KPM]

The maximum step for any kick is going to be shorter than the equivalent maximum step for a punch, that's because kicking requires you stand on one leg and cannot commit weight as far as when you punch

Again, totally wrong for any style other than Wing Chun. As I said before, you really need to get exposure to martial styles other than Wing Chun.

 

[Hazardi172]

Only in WSLVT. We are talking about facing people other than Wing Chun people. Again, you repeatedly make it sound like you only spar with people within your own school also doing Wing Chun.

Kicking requires a shorter step because of the need to kick after the step, simple reality of legs and weight

 

[Hazardi172]

Hazardi, Your answer to KPM's question is too "abstract". IMO, that's not "sincere enough" for online discussion. Just 1 word "Punch", or "Bong" is just too short.

I have already explained in detail that the step is an integral part of the punch. So when I need to punch someone at greater distance I do not think "I must step and punch this person", I just punch them!

 

[KPM]

Please stop harassing me. I am not Guy

Then stop acting like Guy! Several of us have already pointed out the problems with how you are posting that were the same thing Guy did. However, it appears that you have made no effort to change that pattern.

 

[KPM]

Kicking requires a shorter step because of the need to kick after the step, simple reality of legs and weight

What? That makes not sense at all. The kick is often PART of the step and moves in very quickly covering a lot of distance. Someone often doesn't step and then kick, just as you have said that you don't step and then punch.

This guy shows how he can kick with a single step from 8 feet out!

 

[KPM]

I have already explained in detail that the step is an integral part of the punch. So when I need to punch someone at greater distance I do not think "I must step and punch this person", I just punch them!

And again, how does that work if you are standing 5 feet away from the opponent who is waiting in his fighting stance? Are you going to make a huge leaping step while punching to cover that distance and hope he doesn't move out of the way in the meantime?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I have already explained in detail that the step is an integral part of the punch. So when I need to punch someone at greater distance I do not think "I must step and punch this person", I just punch them!

Again, you did not give enough detail there.

With my right side forward, I can

1. step in my right leg and my left back leg follows (1/2 step).
2. step in my back leg to touch my front leg, I then step in my front leg (1 step).
3. step in my right leg, step in my back leg to touch my front leg, I then step in my front leg (1 and 1/2 step).
4. step in my back leg in front my front leg, I then step in my front leg (2 steps).
5. ...

Depending on the distance, I have to decide whether I should use 1, 2, 3, 4, or ... Do I have to think? Yes, I do.

 

[Hazardi172]

What? That makes not sense at all. The kick is often PART of the step and moves in very quickly covering a lot of distance. Someone often doesn't step and then kick, just as you have said that you don't step and then punch.

This guy shows how he can kick with a single step from 8 feet out!

This is 2 steps, is stilted and slow, and second step length is limited by the need to kick. A 2 step punch is both faster and covers more distance

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Then stop acting like Guy!

I can still remember if you don't agree with Guy, he will say that you do not understand WC. That kind attitude make online discussion very difficult and not fun at all.

 

[Hazardi172]

And again, how does that work if you are standing 5 feet away from the opponent who is waiting in his fighting stance? Are you going to make a huge leaping step while punching to cover that distance and hope he doesn't move out of the way in the meantime?

I don't consider 5 feet to be very far? As I said, punch with the integral footwork. It is faster than the kick shown in your video, which as a JKD guy I assume you think is ok?

Again I have no problem with your kick approach, to each their own. I just prefer to punch instead because faster and less obvious

 

[KPM]

This is 2 steps, is stilted and slow, and second step length is limited by the need to kick. A 2 step punch is both faster and covers more distance

It isn't two steps. The front foot leaves the ground as the step begins and doesn't return to the ground until after the kick lands. That is one step. But what is a 2 step punch? Didn't you say that you don't step and then punch....you just punch? So what is a 2 step punch for you?

 

[Hazardi172]

Then stop acting like Guy! Several of us have already pointed out the problems with how you are posting that were the same thing Guy did. However, it appears that you have made no effort to change that pattern.

I have no experience of your famous friend Guy and so do not know how I should behave in order to act more or less like him. You seem quite angry at him though and however I post, since I am not him, I do not deserve that anger. Please speak to Guy if you still have problems with him

 

[KPM]

I don't consider 5 feet to be very far? As I said, punch with the integral footwork. It is faster than the kick shown in your video, which as a JKD guy I assume you think is ok?

Again I have no problem with your kick approach, to each their own. I just prefer to punch instead because faster and less obvious

So again, how are you covering that distance with a single step and punch? And its fine if that is what you prefer. But you keep telling us that we are wrong in what we are saying. That is much different than simply stating that you prefer to do it differently.

 

[KPM]

I have no experience of your famous friend Guy and so do not know how I should behave in order to act more or less like him. You seem quite angry at him though and however I post, since I am not him, I do not deserve that anger. Please speak to Guy if you still have problems with him

Again, you have received several words of advice so far as to how to post less like Guy. But you seem to ignore that advice. Why is that?

 

[Hazardi172]

It isn't two steps. The front foot leaves the ground as the step begins and doesn't return to the ground until after the kick lands. That is one step. But what is a 2 step punch? Didn't you say that you don't step and then punch....you just punch? So what is a 2 step punch for you?

It is 2 actions, step then kick, 2 steps or stages. A 2 step punch would be a step then a punch

 

[Hazardi172]

So again, how are you covering that distance with a single step and punch? And its fine if that is what you prefer. But you keep telling us that we are wrong in what we are saying. That is much different than simply stating that you prefer to do it differently.

5 feet can be covered with the footwork of a single punch