Wing Chun Boxing

[LFJ]

Nobody understood MMA. They made it up as they went along.

Are you trying to miss the point, or what?

Who mixed martial arts they didn't understand?

 

[drop bear]

Are you trying to miss the point, or what?

Who mixed martial arts they didn't understand?

Everybody.

Everyone just went out their with their own good ideas. Some worked some didn't. That is how you understand a martial art.

 

[LFJ]

Everybody.

Everyone just went out their with their own good ideas. Some worked some didn't. That is how you understand a martial art.

No one understood a single MA?

 

[drop bear]

No one understood a single MA?

Not fully. Everyone had to go back to the drawing board to make their system functional.

 

[LFJ]

Not fully. Everyone had to go back to the drawing board to make their system functional.

That doesn't mean no one understood even a single MA they trained!

When cross-training, people actually went to learn legit BJJ and worked it into styles they already understood.

That is entirely unlike making modifications, just based on what you've seen others do, to an already fragmented understanding of a base-style.

 

[KPM]

I didn't say charging in with chain punches.

If someone wants to hit you, they will advance and throw serious punches.
They will not present one punch and let you do three things to it.



Didn't say charging in. Only a fool will run past you when you "step off the line".



Where was there a jab, cross, hook? What are you talking about?

You did a step back raising bong-sau, then step forward with laap-da, and a body punch.

Unrealistic. Not comparable in the least to jab, cross, hook.

Your replies are just argumentative non-sense and don't deserve a reply. Please go elsewhere.

 

[LFJ]

Your replies are just argumentative non-sense and don't deserve a reply.

Ha!

You said I don't think "jab, cross, hook" is a practical combination when we're talking about your multi-step combo that involved none of the above.

Talk about argumentative nonsense!

Please go elsewhere.

You wound up here instead of KPMartialtalk.com again!

 

[KPM]

Ha!

You said I don't think "jab, cross, hook" is a practical combination when we're talking about your multi-step combo that involved none of the above.

Talk about argumentative nonsense!



You wound up here instead of KPMartialtalk.com again!

Your credibility is continuing to suffer with your argumentative non-sense posts. If you can't see a "jab" in a fast back-hand blow, a "cross" in a rear-hand punch to the solar plexus and a "hook" in a shovel-hook to the ribs.....then I don't know what else to tell you. You are as clueless about real fighting as you think I am about Wing Chun.

 

[LFJ]

If you can't see a "jab" in a fast back-hand blow, a "cross" in a rear-hand punch to the solar plexus and a "hook" in a shovel-hook to the ribs.....

Yeah, not the same at all, and that was not your combo.

You stepped straight back and used bong-wu as a "don't hit me" shield, then pulled the arm that was posed for you, dropping a backfist toward the nose that was blocked, and gave an unchallenged punch to the gut.

You're telling me that's the same technically or conceptually as jab, cross, hook?

 

[KPM]

Yeah, not the same at all, and that was not your combo.

You stepped straight back and used bong-wu as a "don't hit me" shield, then pulled the arm that was posed for you, dropping a backfist toward the nose that was blocked, and gave an unchallenged punch to the gut.

You're telling me that's the same technically or conceptually as jab, cross, hook?

Clearly you didn't even bother to watch the whole video lesson.

 

[LFJ]

Clearly you didn't even bother to watch the whole video lesson.

I did.

In your "application" version, you did the same combo as I just described, but added another unchallenged punch to the other side.

That's even more impractical coming off your unrealistic setup.
You will not get past the step back bong-wu "don't hit me" shield.

Even if you do, the rest of your mutli-step follow ups are not going to go unchallenged.

Jab, cross, hook can certainly work, but not this convoluted "Wing Chun Boxing" application.

 

[drop bear]

That doesn't mean no one understood even a single MA they trained!

When cross-training, people actually went to learn legit BJJ and worked it into styles they already understood.

That is entirely unlike making modifications, just based on what you've seen others do, to an already fragmented understanding of a base-style.

I would definitely suggest KPM goes and learns boxing if he is integrating it. He already understands wing chun. Not sure what you are arguing here.

 

[LFJ]

I would definitely suggest KPM goes and learns boxing if he is integrating it.

As would I.

He already understands wing chun.

How do you know?

 

[drop bear]

As would I.



How do you know?

Good point. we have moved back to functional. And there is pretty much no way to tell with WC or VT. As there is no good platform to test function.

On the plus side you can test boxing function. So there is at least part of an answer there.

 

[LFJ]

Good point. we have moved back to functional. And there is pretty much no way to tell with WC or VT. As there is no good platform to test function.

Of course there is. You have just chosen to ignore it and run your mouth instead.

 

[drop bear]

Of course there is. You have just chosen to ignore it and run your mouth instead.

Was that when you just said it was so?

Well we can subject kpm to the same intense scrutiny.

 

[drop bear]

Hey KPM do you understand wing chun?

 

[LFJ]

Was that when you just said it was so?

No. The annual open-style tournament that has been hosted and competed in by a VT group in Germany for several years now was just posted about. Alan Orr has also been putting his WC guys into MMA cages/rings for years.

Plenty of people test WC/VT in the sport fighting arena, if that's what you want. It could do with more, but you just seem more interested in ignoring those who do and running your mouth about "lack of evidence" instead, which I think is a clear form of dishonest style-bashing.

 

[drop bear]

No. The annual open-style tournament that has been hosted and competed in by a VT group in Germany for several years now was just posted about. Alan Orr has also been putting his WC guys into MMA cages/rings for years.

Plenty of people test WC/VT in the sport fighting arena, if that's what you want. It could do with more, but you just seem more interested in ignoring those who do and running your mouth about "lack of evidence" instead, which I think is a clear form of dishonest style-bashing.

So we know one style of wing chun is functional. and lets put this open tournament at a mabye as I know nothing about it.

And does alan orr cross-train in boxing?

 

[LFJ]

So we know one style of wing chun is functional. and lets put this open tournament at a mabye as I know nothing about it.

You should stop saying "we" when you really mean "I", and when you've never bothered to look.

And does alan orr cross-train in boxing?

I think he's gone to lengths to try showing how his WC is not WB.