Is this Sci-Fi?
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I do know what to do. Get back on my feet asap.
You seem to have pretty much ignored the fact that in the clip I posted the guy was up against multiple opponents and his skills, strategy (staying on his feet) and tactics enabled him to avoid being surrounded and deal with the threats one at a time very quickly and efficiently before any of his opponents could take him to the ground.
You basically need a weapon or a posse to take down a Bjj guy.
is this sci-fi?
It's a bunch of guys essentially saying the same thing. The only difference is some think it's enough to hope for the best. "I'll just get on my feet ASAP!" Famous last words.I'm a little confused, is this what this posts and the others is about to you?
I'm a little confused, is this what this posts and the others is about to you?
You basically need a weapon or a posse to take down a Bjj guy.
More or less. As Steve said, the multiple opponent and weapon argument is an excuse and a sales tactic so that styles that don't utilize that range of combat can ease the fears of their students. What's nonsensical about that argument is that it your conceding that a person with ground skills will probably demolish you in a fight if you don't have a weapon or have friends with you. Wouldn't such a concession make you want to learn that style of fighting so that you won't get demolished?
I can really think of no other MA on the planet where its detractors make such wild claims in its favor. Yet, Bjj is that MA.
More or less. As Steve said, the multiple opponent and weapon argument is an excuse and a sales tactic so that styles that don't utilize that range of combat can ease the fears of their students. What's nonsensical about that argument is that it your conceding that a person with ground skills will probably demolish you in a fight if you don't have a weapon or have friends with you. Wouldn't such a concession make you want to learn that style of fighting so that you won't get demolished?
I can really think of no other MA on the planet where its detractors make such wild claims in its favor. Yet, Bjj is that MA.
Again, your dismissing the multiple opponents scenario rather lightly imo.
Bad guys often tend to hunt in packs, and bullies love an audience - usually of their friends.
I'm not dismissing it. I'm pointing out that no martial art really prepares you for multiple attackers or weapons. So to ding Bjj as being weak against multiple attackers or weapons is a bit silly. When you're unarmed and against more than one person, or against an armed person, you're at a disadvantage no matter what you know.
The above is based on the assumption that we're still discussing whether or not it's a good idea to take a fight to the ground in a real life self defence situation, and is in response to the whole thread rather than just the line quoted, but I'm no good at that fancy multi-quoting stuff!
Ahh, yes I thought that's what you meant, but it read to me that the only way to defeat a BJJ practitioner was to use a weapon or multiple people.
All of that is more based on the fact that street fighting sucks and should be avoided at all costs. Everything you mentioned above can just as easily happen to you if you're trying to stay on your feet, and get knocked down, sucker punched, tackled from behind, whatever.
Here's the point; Training to get back up as soon as possible isn't the same as training to fight on the ground. That stupid thug in the video didn't want to get taken to the ground, but he was taken there, and when he was, the fight went from a silly scrap to a very serious altercation. The guy could have died or suffered severe brain injury. People really need to learn how to fight from the ground completely, and that includes not only escapes, but also how to end the altercation if necessary. Frankly some of the "ground tactics" taught in a lot of martial arts is a bad joke, and clearly just implemented because Bjj forced them to implement it.
Silly question but what if you are copping a beating stand up. Do you ground them or pressure on?
One of the best ways you counter a flurry is to double leg someone.
Yeah, I used this video as a prime example for why people would go for a clinch and takedown:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3k1PfjUaq0s
Observe how long that brawl lasted, and the damage to the thug in that video versus the length of the brawl and the damage to the thug in the OP. Big difference.