It describes the level of legendary beimo fighters and old masters. Doesn't matter if the were or were not chunners.
There is only one footage from beimo fights and it does not show any master level fighters but rather lame blokes who barely know what to do:
The second footage showing the actual level of this times masters is even worse:
So I think I can doubt Wong Shun Leung was beating opponents more skilled than failures.
Submitting 100 BJJ white belts does not make me a BJJ black belt. Submitting 100 BJJ black belts surely does.
There is a lot of good fighters who are not on youtube and do not compete. But it is really strange that a ALL good wing-chun-only fighters avoid youtube and competitions. I am curious why? They are not regular humans? Or maybe they do not exist at all?
Probably not for Nightgreek.
First of all: fighting is only a small part of self defense. Second: I do not see any reason why wing chun fellow should not be able to defend himself against typical street assault. Internet is full of examples untrained people who succesfuly defended themself.
Because all available evidence of pure Wing Chun stylists fighting decent fighters form others styles shows that "pure chunners" cannot fight better than mediocre amateurs.
All chunners who can fight better crosstrain other styles. Especially mentioned above Qi La La who quite well combines orthodox WC with boxing/kickboxing. The "different mentality of boxing" helps them to be improved fighters.
Not QLL but shows what I mean:
Show me something contrary and I will change my mind.
And some people can say that Earth is flat... Jesus...
It is zero sum game. If A deny B, and B deny A only one of them can be true.
Stop crying like a baby. My personal opinion of Wing Chun is that it was designed and created to solve tactical problems in very specific enviroment - small cabins and narrow corridors of red boats. Fighting chest to chest with no place for footwork, body rotations, side steps, head movement. I think it is the only one reasonable answer for question why wing chun looks this way not another.
But somewhere in wing chun history enviromental requirement were lost, the life testing was abandoned and wing chun lost it core. The next generations (like Ip Man and his contemporaries) known the moves but do not understand them because of not testing them on real clashes. They were still trying to earn money teaching people how to fight and they couldn't say to students "
sorry, we have no idea what we are doing".
Later the beimo fights against pitifuly weak opponent gave to the next-next chunners generation false conviction about own superiority (techniques, tactic, strategy and training methodology) reinforced in next-next-next generation by lying propaganda of invincible wing chun master Bruce Lee. The result was long loosing streak of chuners from early 90's untill nowadays.
Today many of you understand all weakness of present wing chun and make efforts to make wing chun decent fighting style again, many of you understand that single victorious fight again legit opponent is worth 1000 more than 2000 hours long video rant, but there is a lot of individuals like Nightgreek who make claims, statements, moronic excuses without any track of proof.
I have nothing against wing chun. I simply do not like words without confirmation.
