Sport And TMA....Again

[TFP]

That never happens I'm always armed or very close to a gun no matter where I am. However if I were unarmed I've got a lifetime of striking arts to fall back on.


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Aha!:jaw-dropping: "fall back on"!?!?!?!?!? This must be some type of subconscious slip, but it only proves the grapplers art is the best art, because to "fall back" would by definition, imply to.......



1. To drop or come down freely under the influence of gravity.
2. To drop oneself to a lower or less erect position:
3.
a. To lose an upright or erect position suddenly.
b. To drop wounded or dead, especially in battle.


Thus you are now on the ground!!

And......

THE GROUND IS THE OCEAN. IM THE SHARK AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SWIM!

I rest my case, lock this thread up and let's move on people, my work here is done!!!!!! :rules:

 

[Hanzou]

And yet, some of us train to stay upright and put our opponents off balance. YMMV. Once you have mastered your own balance, it's actually not hard to stay on your feet in a defensive posture. Or, you use Ukemi to regain your balance if needed....Again, your opinion may be different.

There's a reason Olympic Judo banned the Morote Gari (double leg takedown), from competition. That reason is that the move made it too easy to take Judokas to the ground in competition and score an Ippon. I would say that Olympic Judo practitioners have some of the best balance and Ukemi in MA.

If the best Judokas in the world couldn't stop the double leg takedown.......

 

[ballen0351]

There's a reason Olympic Judo banned the Morote Gari (double leg takedown), from competition. That reason is that the move made it too easy to take Judokas to the ground in competition and score an Ippon. I would say that Olympic Judo practitioners have some of the best balance and Ukemi in MA.

If the best Judokas in the world couldn't stop the double leg takedown.......

You love you tube so much there are 1000s of clips of double legs not working. Come on man get real.

 

[ballen0351]

fall back on
phrasal verb of fall
1.
have recourse to when in difficulty.
"they normally fell back on one of three arguments"
synonyms: resort to, turn to, look to, call on, have recourse to; rely on, depend on, lean on
"I can always fall back on my career in landscaping


Cute but you forgot the "on" part but your cute I'll give you that.

Aha!:jaw-dropping: "fall back on"!?!?!?!?!? This must be some type of subconscious slip, but it only proves the grapplers art is the best art, because to "fall back" would by definition, imply to.......



1. To drop or come down freely under the influence of gravity.
2. To drop oneself to a lower or less erect position:
3.
a. To lose an upright or erect position suddenly.
b. To drop wounded or dead, especially in battle.


Thus you are now on the ground!!

And......

THE GROUND IS THE OCEAN. IM THE SHARK AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SWIM!

I rest my case, lock this thread up and let's move on people, my work here is done!!!!!! :rules:

 

[TFP]

Fighting in the cage is a game simple as that. If it makes you feel like a tough guy then so be it your a tough guy but its a game none the less.

May be, but this doesn't make the skills you use in the cage any less effective and it also is a great way to prove if certain moves work or not, yes even in your "ultra dangerous" world.


I mean look at Loyoto Machida! Footwork, avoidance, pinpoint striking, great takedown D and a knowledge of ground fighting has been proven effective by him.

 

[Hanzou]

You love you tube so much there are 1000s of clips of double legs not working. Come on man get real.

You missed my point. Even the most balanced people can and will get taken down. The IJF banning the Morote Gari is just one example.

On a side note, I wish Judo was more open to MMA influence. Bjj and MMA are already mining Judo for throws to change up the stand up game, and you're starting to see Bjj and Wrestling's transition speed being applied to Judo with no gi applications. Its creating a nasty combination that's going to change grappling, MMA, and martial arts in general once it takes hold.

Here's one example;

DLT fail to Harai Goshi.

Brings a tear to my eye.

 

[TFP]

fall back on
phrasal verb of fall
1.
have recourse to when in difficulty.
"they normally fell back on one of three arguments"
synonyms: resort to, turn to, look to, call on, have recourse to; rely on, depend on, lean on
"I can always fall back on my career in landscaping


Cute but you forgot the "on" part but your cute I'll give you that.

I may have cherry picked......

 

[ballen0351]

May be, but this doesn't make the skills you use in the cage any less effective and it also is a great way to prove if certain moves work or not, yes even in your "ultra dangerous" world.


I mean look at Loyoto Machida! Footwork, avoidance, pinpoint striking, great takedown D and a knowledge of ground fighting has been proven effective by him.

I never said the skill was less. You need much more skill to fight in a cage and be successful. That's not the point. The point was the Cage has rules that limit the danger. Both fighters are sober and agreed to fight one on one. That's not always the case in real life. Like I said before most street fights are nothing special. Little push here slap there or sucker punch then a clinch until bouncers break it up. The problem happens when its not a normal street fight. Like I posted earlier aboit the BJJ guy that got sucker punched in the side of the head while doing a rear naked choke on another guy.
HHere's a neat drill next time your at BJJ take a training knife and don't tell the guy your rolling with. Pull it and start stabbing him see how they react.

 

[ballen0351]

You missed my point. Even the most balanced people can and will get taken down. The IJF banning the Morote Gari is just one example.

On a side note, I wish Judo was more open to MMA influence. Bjj and MMA are already mining Judo for throws to change up the stand up game, and you're starting to see Bjj and Wrestling's transition speed being applied to Judo with no gi applications. Its creating a nasty combination that's going to change grappling, MMA, and martial arts in general once it takes hold.

Here's one example;

DLT fail to Harai Goshi.

Brings a tear to my eye.

OK I give up your just wrong ok you can't ALWAYS take someone down. You think your that good great. Most people are not as good as you. I've never been taken down in a fight. I've had people try. Double and single legs. I've arrested a collegiate wrestler that tried to take me down. He failed and got tased. I've arrested BJJ guys and MMA guys that have resisted and tried to take me down. It hasn't happened yet. Could it sure some day but not yet. But again you know best

 

[Kframe]

TFP I actually checked into wrestling. Sadly in my area the only thing available is Dick the Bruisers Wrestling school and that is WWE fantasy stuff. Nothing legit in that place at all.

I have options, im not so sold on the GJJ place, they want $100 monthly on a 48week contract. Im not a fan of either the price or the contract.

 

[ballen0351]

TFP I actually checked into wrestling. Sadly in my area the only thing available is Dick the Bruisers Wrestling school and that is WWE fantasy stuff. Nothing legit in that place at all.

I have options, im not so sold on the GJJ place, they want $100 monthly on a 48week contract. Im not a fan of either the price or the contract.

Thats cheap for around here. The BJJ schools around here average $175 to 200 a month thats with my police discount. Look for a Judo school. I dont know why but Judo seems to be the cheapest cost of all MA ive seen. Mine is $30 a month when he decides to ask for money. Normally I try to pay and he says no no no.

 

[Hanzou]

TFP I actually checked into wrestling. Sadly in my area the only thing available is Dick the Bruisers Wrestling school and that is WWE fantasy stuff. Nothing legit in that place at all.

I have options, im not so sold on the GJJ place, they want $100 monthly on a 48week contract. Im not a fan of either the price or the contract.

$100 a month is pretty standard for Gjj and most Bjj schools. Most average between $75-150 range unless you live in a highly populated area like LA or NYC, where it can exceed $200 a month.

If you're able to train multiple times a week, for 2+ hours, its worth the price.

Judo is definitely an option if your price conscience. However, given your age I'd be concerned about injuries from throws. Judo is very tough on the body.

 

[ballen0351]

My buddy just paid $3500 bucks for a 2 year program of MMA. I told him he was insane but he went to 3 classes and they convinced him to drop the coin.

 

[Hanzou]

My buddy just paid $3500 bucks for a 2 year program of MMA. I told him he was insane but he went to 3 classes and they convinced him to drop the coin.

Yeah, that must have been one hell of a sales pitch. I wouldn't be dropping that much upfront for 2 years. What if something happens and you can't train? That's crazy.

 

[ballen0351]

Yeah, that must have been one hell of a sales pitch. I wouldn't be dropping that much upfront for 2 years. What if something happens and you can't train? That's crazy.

Same thing I asked him what happens if you get hurt and are out for 6 months. He said "That wont happen" lol. Oh to be 22 and stupid again I miss that mindset sometimes

 

[frank raud]

[/FONT][/COLOR]http://www.judoinfo.com/kano4.htm Learn something new every day. 30 years in jiu jitsu and judo, never heard this before. Probably should throw out my book collection going back to 1894.



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Nice. Again, please explain why the FIRST codified kata of judo is the katame no kata, developed at least 10 years before the Gokyo. Bonus points for explaining why an insignificant section of judo was codified 2 years after the formation of the Kodokan, as opposed to 13 years for the Gokyo.



[/FONT][/COLOR]http://umjudo.com/JudoHistory/HistoryNine.htm

Why did Kano institute those rules? Was it because he didn't believe that ground grappling only tournaments fully explored the spirit and art of judo? Or is there some other reason you can enlighten us with?

 

[frank raud]

Read post #602. Judo's natural evolution was heading towards a stronger Newaza slant. Kano purposely curbed that evolution because he preferred standing throws. Olympic Judo has continued that push.

Judo's natural evolution was being decided by a bunch of high school kids? Not the founder's vision? Seriously?

 

[Hanzou]

Why did Kano institute those rules? Was it because he didn't believe that ground grappling only tournaments fully explored the spirit and art of judo? Or is there some other reason you can enlighten us with?

Draw your own conclusions. My point was merely to show that Kano preferred throwing techniques and the rules of Judo have towed that line at the expense of Newaza. The most recent example being the banning of Morote Gari and Kuchiki Taoshi.

Judo's natural evolution was being decided by a bunch of high school kids? Not the founder's vision? Seriously?

I guess you missed this part;

After 1900, Judo had begun emphasizing such grappling techniques. Maeda, who entered the Kodokan in 1897, was there during the greatest development of Judo as a grappling style. Indeed, in 1914, the high school championships introduced that year in Japan were primarily Judo grappling matches, ended by the chokes, armbars, or submission movements typical of Judo grappling. This "Kosen Judo" continues today as a relic of that era of Judo in university tournaments in Japan, as well as in Gracie and Brazilian Ju Jitsu. The trend was so strong in this direction that, by 1926, Kano finally changed tournament rules to restrict grappling, and once again emphasize throwing techniques.

http://umjudo.com/JudoHistory/HistoryNine.htm

I respect Kano's vision, but clearly grappling and newaza was taking hold in competitive Judo. Kano decided to curb that, and reinforce the throwing techniques. If he hadn't done that, modern Judo would probably more closely resemble Gjj/Bjj.

 

[frank raud]

And the Akban organization, which have quite a number of schools. I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to find more Ninjutsu groups doing Bjj ground fighting.

Like I said, you have ninjutsu schools teaching and incorporating Bjj into their style.

The AKBAN organization. According to their own website they do have multiple schools, but have approximately 300 students in total. I can think over several local schools that have more students than that. I wouldn't use them as an example of how something has influenced an entire art.

 

[frank raud]

Draw your own conclusions. My point was merely to show that Kano preferred throwing techniques and the rules of Judo have towed that line at the expense of Newaza. The most recent example being the banning of Morote Gari and Kuchiki Taoshi.

The techniques have not been banned. They cannot be used as an opening technique, but are legal to use as a followup or as a counter.



I guess you missed this part;



[/FONT][/COLOR]http://umjudo.com/JudoHistory/HistoryNine.htm

I did not miss it. Again please explain how judo's natural evolution should be decided by a bunch of high schools kids. Not the founder's vision. Bonus points for using your own words, not a repeat cut and paste. Why did Kano institute the rule changes?