Claims on the Internet.

[Matt Stone]

I did a search on Google for Dong Koo Yudo Kwon.

Nothing.

I did another search on Google for Dong Koo Yudo Kwan.

Nearly nothing.

All that came up were hits for that title used in the biographies of tons of folks who are also members of Soke or Grandmaster organizations, and who all seem to possess multiple high grade rankings...

It is based in South Korea, and seems (at first glance) to be less than reputable...

This is an example of the bios I found:

Doctor of Martial Science

American College of Martial Science of The University of Indiana, Ph.D (honorary)-Martial Arts Philosophy.

Lifetime Member, International Combat Martial Arts Doctors and Scientists Union ICMAUA

Registered TKD Dan Holder with the Kukkiwon-Seoul, Korea

8th Dan Recognition & Registration, World Soke Head Council Headquarters, Kobe, Japan

8th Dan Dong-Koo Yudo Kwan, (KYA) - Seoul, Korea

8th Dan Ildokwan, World Ildokwan Federation-UK

8th Dan Taekwondo, Independedent Martial Arts Federation-USA (IMAF)

8th Dan Taekwondo, White Dragon Federation-Denmark

8th Dan Founder of Taeken-Jitsu, World Jug-Tai Head Founders Society- Arta, Greece

8th Dan Taeken-Jitsu, Drougas World Traditional Martial Arts-Greece

8th Dan Founder of Taeken-Jitsu, International Assembly of Sokeship, Founders & Headmasters

8th Dan Taeken-Jitsu, Founder, Head Instructor, Head Examiner, International Combat Martial Arts Founders Union ICMAUA

8th Dan Sung Ja Do (honorary), International Sung Ja Do Assn.-USA

8th Dan Taekwondo, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Taekwondo Union ICMAUA

8th Dan Ildokwan, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Taekwondo Union ICMAUA

8th Dan Ildokwan, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Korean Martial Arts Union ICMAUA

8th Dan Dong-Koo Yudo Kwan, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Korean Martial Arts Union ICMAUA

7th Dan Karate-Do (honorary), United Martial Arts Federation.

7th Dan Karate-Do, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Karate Do Union ICMAUA.

4th Dan Jiu-Jitsu, The Black Arts Society (Canada) & IMAF

4th Dan Unarmed Military Combat, The Black Arts Society (Canada) & IMAF

4th Dan Unarmed Military Combat, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Military Martial Arts Union ICMAUA

4th Dan Tsung Chen Do, The Tsung Chen Do Assn.-USA

4th Dan Tsung Chen Do, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Martial Arts Union ICMAUA

4th Dan Jiu-Jitsu, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Jujitsu Union ICMAUA

3rd Dan Moo Duk Kwan, The Korea TKD Moo Duk Hae-Seoul, Korea

3rd Dan Dragon Kenpo Karate, Dragon Kenpo Karate Assn.(USA) & IMAF

3rd Dan Dragon Kenpo Karate, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Kenpo Union ICMAUA

3rd Dan Combat Taekwondo, The United States Combat Martial Arts Assn.

3rd Dan Combat Taekwondo, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Taekwondo Union ICMAUA

3rd Dan Moo Duk Kwan, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Taekwondo Union ICMAUA

1st Dan Hapkido, World Chontu Tae-Do Hapkido Fed. (Canada) & IMAF

1st Dan Hapkido, Instructor, Examiner, International Combat Hapkido Union ICMAUA

OTHER HONORS and POSITIONS:

Board of Directors, WWMAHOF & IMAF

Member of The World Ildokwan Federation Technical Advisory Council

Inducted into the World-Wide Martial Arts Hall of Fame (WWMAHOF)

Inducted into the Canada International Martial Arts Society Hall of Fame

Inducted into the World Il-Do-Kwan Federation International Hall of Fame -"Presidential Award for Dedicated Leadership'

Inducted into the International Combat Martial Arts Hall of Fame ICMAUA

Inducted into the International Combat Martial Arts Encyclopedia ICMAUA

Canada International Martial Arts Society-USA Representative

Registered International Master Instructor, World Ildokwan Federation

I wasn't aware someone could be ranked that highly in that many arts... :shrug:

Whatever.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
MartialArtist,

You are Korean?
anyohashimunika
(romanized Korean)



That was Dave Shultz’s name “Chinese-efied” into what would seemed to have been Mandarin.





Actually it’s not.
It’s a couple of “Japanese-esque” words stuck together that mean nothing.

I am Korean.

Chinese-efied and Japanese-esque... I've seen many people around, not just martial artists, but everyday people who wear something because it sounds or looks cool. Have you ever seen pictures of a Japanese girl wearing a shirt that has something like "I like to eat p*ssy" in English? Not too many of those around, but English characters somehow appealed to that girl. I see people walking around with tatoos or just symbols on their shirt when they don't even know what they mean. I saw one guy that had "wood" on his arm. I don't know any Chinese, but I do know what the major characters (especially the elements) are.

Anyway, thanks for the Japanese lesson on mya ryu jitsu.

What is worse IMO, is that there are high ranking people even in the standard organizations that can't even pronounce the name of the art right. Such as tae kwon do.

It is NOT pronounced "tai kwan doe". It's more "tay ko^n do" where there are no drawlings or lapses. All "sharp" pernunciations. Do not exaggerate the y, it is like a sharp "tape" without the p sound, kon (not pernounced as con as in convict but kinda similiar to a sharp cone with some difference in phonics, and do is prounouced correctly, just need to do it a bit sharper.

The worst thing to me is when a person acts like they know what they are saying, but their grammar and accent are :rofl:

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
MartialArtist,

You are Korean?
anyohashimunika
(romanized Korean)

ahn young ha say yo. Jo wha yo, kam sa ham ni da.

Sorry, I can't translate Korean phonics to English characters. But I did understand what you said and my reply is above.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
I saw one guy that had "wood" on his arm.

Maybe he was advertising.....

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Maybe he was advertising.....

Maybe just a little too happy around the guys

 

[Matt Stone]

No showers with the Wood guy...

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
The following are some photos of how to spot fake dan certificates from real ones.


Notice the 2 types of “hanko”. The real one is more elaborate and therefore more difficult for scumbags to forge…….the fake one I can buy at almost any stationary shop in Japan and has been mass produced by the 1,000s.

Much like the family "banners" (I don't know what to call them in English) in Korean.

Korea's main language was Mandarin until King Sejong's reign. The king and his scholars/administration wanted to make a much easier language to learn than Chinese, and thus, Korean. However, in family trees, the name is always given in Korean first, then in Chinese characters right under it. Plus, the family banners, were done by usually the oldest elder in the family (calligraphy). Plus, there's the hand-carved family seal, stamp, and each family had its own unique paper. Very hard to forge.

 

[MartialArtist]

Here is an example of a seal. It's a bit faded out, and note what type of paper it's on. Don't mind the white, it's due to my quick 15-second crop with Paint. However, you can see some characteristics from this that aren't in the ones that you can just buy at a flea market. Hand carved, etc.

Notice, this isn't even really that important. The symbol has no important meaning... If people spent this much time working on this, imagine what they would do with a real certificate or on the family tree & records.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Here are some different styles of kanji.

the chinese standard one (kaisho: square style)

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Although you didn't post it here on this BBs isn’t this your bio from “Grandmaster” Schultz website?

“Master David Craine
Board of Directors International League of Martial Arts Masters
Vice President Gulf Coast Martial Artists Guild
A.R.K./CQDT Master Instructor
6th Dan Tae Kwon Do”


and with this caption under the photo.

GM Schultz inducting Master Craine into the League

Yuk dan in TKD?

Even McDojangs in the United States have more decency than that. It takes at least 15 years even for a McDojang kid to get to 6th dan. It takes about over a year (usually two years) to get to il dan in a McDojang. After that, McDojangs don't let people test so fast, maybe beacuse Kukkiwon might catch on to something

I don't believe someone can have a yuk dan at that young an age (you really don't look that old Schultz, a compliment), especially when he studied many of the Japanese and Chinese arts, unless it was an organization elsewhere? What organization is the rank from?

 

[RyuShiKan]

tensho (the oldest style, now used for personal seals' design)

 

[RyuShiKan]

reisho (a variant of the tensho style elaborated by monks)

 

[RyuShiKan]

gyôsho (semi-cursive style: informal kaisho)

 

[RyuShiKan]

and sôsho (cursive style: an abbreviated form of reisho style).

 

[Matt Stone]

It is my understanding that authentic hanko (not sure of the Chinese or Korean terms for them) are carved in the tensho style...

Not an easy task, seeing as how many of the characters are archaic, no longer in use, or difficult to translate...

Please, RyuShiKan, correct me if I am wrong.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by chufeng
Dead frickin' horse...

...strange sense of humor...I did not see anything funny...
If your teacher thinks we are children, then your post is even LESS funny...

out

chufeng

No one is calling anyone children just a metaphore I used.

 

[RyuShiKan]

And for Chinese.........

The zhuan script or seal character was the earliest form of writing after the oracle inscriptions, which must have caused great inconvenience because they lacked uniformity and many characters were written in variant forms. The first effort for the unification of writing, it is said, took place during the reign of King Xuan (827-782 B. C.) of the Western Zhou Dynasty, when his taishi (grand historian) Shi Zhou compiled a lexicon of 15 chapters, standardizing Chinese writing under script called zhuan. It is also known as zhouwen after the name of the author. This script, often used in seals, is translated into English as the seal character, or as the "curly script" after the shape of its strokes.

 

[RyuShiKan]

The lishu (official script) came in the wake of the xiaozhuan in the same short-lived Qin Dynasty (221 - 207 B. C.). This was because the xiaozhuan, though a simplified form of script, was still too complicated for the scribes in the various government offices who had to copy an increasing amount of documents. Cheng Miao, a prison warden, made a further simplification of the xiaozhuan, changing the curly strokes into straight and angular ones and thus making writing much easier. A further step away from the pictographs, it was named lishu because li in classical Chinese meant "clerk" or "scribe". Another version says that Cheng Miao, because of certain offence, became a prisoner and slave himself; as the ancients also called bound slaves "li", so the script was named lishu or the "script of a slave".

 

[arnisador]

Thanks RyuShiKan, this is interesting and informative!

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
No one is calling anyone children just a metaphore I used.

metaphor (Noun)
Definition: a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity