Wing Chun Boxing

[Gerry Seymour]

Hey Guys! I recently started a FB forum called "Martial Boxing Forum." It is for the discussion of western boxing as a martial art, whether that is using boxing as a base and adding "martial" elements, or just using boxing-derived methods to improve your martial art. We will be comparing notes on Wing Chun Boxing, 52 Blocks, Panantukan, or anything else with a "boxing flavor." Come and check it out if you are interested!

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I'll join. Just don't expect much from me. I'm not very active on FB (I probably should be - I know some folks who drive some of their business from FB activity).

 

[Martial D]

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[geezer]

Hey Guys! I recently started a FB forum called "Martial Boxing Forum." It is for the discussion of western boxing as a martial art, whether that is using boxing as a base and adding "martial" elements, or just using boxing-derived methods to improve your martial art. We will be comparing notes on Wing Chun Boxing, 52 Blocks, Panantukan, or anything else with a "boxing flavor." Come and check it out if you are interested!

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I'll check that out too. BTW, I hope that doesn't mean that you won't still be contributing here!

 

[KPM]

Nope! Still will contribute! Here is something I did today:

 

[KPM]

Annnnd.....here's another! ;-)

 

[Martial D]

Nice vids K.

I now have a picture in my head of you fighting some dude and saying Bam Bam boom boom Bam boom bang bang as you hit him.

 

[geezer]

Nope! Still will contribute! Here is something I did today:

Annnnd.....here's another! ;-)

Keith: What you are doing is a lot like where I've been going with my WC and Escrima. You know what my "WT" background was. Here's what the Latosa Escrima figure eight pattern looked like back in the 80s and early 90s when applied to empty hands back. The sound effects are classic!

 

[KPM]

Oh man! You are letting the secret out! The sound effects are a FMA Master level version of a Kiai! It focuses your Qi!

Cool to hear you are doing something similar! Would love to see it!

 

[Gerry Seymour]

The sound effects are a FMA Master level version of a Kiai! It focuses your Qi!

Apparently, I'm better at FMA than I thought!

 

[TMA17]

I love WC. I'm very new to it and think it's a great art. However, I think styles/systems do matter despite the idea that they don't when it comes to preparing someone for a real fight. Boxing offers better footwork, better punches from numerous angles, better overall movement (such as head movement), and better training for speed and timing. Simple is often better. Bruce Lee knew this. The evidence is there. As a striking art, WC falls behind boxing for real world effectiveness. It's more complete and diverse overall, but lacks the attributes that boxing offers that win fights. Add in Muay Thai elbows/kicking to boxing and you have probably the number striking art for real world self defense. Throw in BJJ and you're pretty good to go overall.

I think what KPM, Rackemann etc. are doing is fantastic. I think the blending of arts is what everyone should do.

If you love WC and get what you want out of it, that's all that matters though. Whether it's the movements, weapons, kicking or philosophy behind that keeps you motivated in mastering it, those are great things....don't stop. However, if you want to make it more street/ring/self-defense effective, modification is likely going to be necessary.

The idea that you need to train an art for 10 years to get it work is absurd IMO. Maybe 10 years to master it, but it should be effective much sooner than that or there is something wrong with it.

Bruce Lee: "someone with only 1 year of training in boxing and wrestling can easily defeat a martial artist of 20 years of experience.”

 

[TMA17]

There seems to be an increase in videos lately out of China showing MMA vs CMA.

 

[KPM]

This goes along with the Equis Strike Pattern video I posted earlier.

 

[Flying Crane]

Add in Muay Thai elbows/kicking to boxing and you have probably the number striking art for real world self defense.

Coming from a different background, I disagree.

The thing is, everyone speaks from their own experience. It’s good to have belief in what you do, but there is a whole lot of stuff out there with which you have no experience. So blanket statements like the one above, really miss a whole lot.

I would say rather that what you propose above can be a very effective combination, if it fits with your personality and inclinations.

But there are a lot of other things for which that is also true.

There simply are no absolutes, in this game.

 

[Marnetmar]

I haven't had to read through the thread but some of Rackemann's ideas puzzle me. Why try to force Wing Chun to work in boxing range when it's clearly better adapted for the clinch? Why not just use regular boxing and then use Wing Chun to transition into grappling? Why sacrifice the power in a regular long-range horizontal punch for a vertical one, when the reason Chun's strikes are vertical in the first place is because they're meant to be performed at a range where you wouldn't be able to get any power from a horizontal punch?

 

[Nobody Important]

I haven't had to read through the thread but some of Rackemann's ideas puzzle me. Why try to force Wing Chun to work in boxing range when it's clearly better adapted for the clinch? Why not just use regular boxing and then use Wing Chun to transition into grappling?

This is a good question, one I've brought up in the past. Perhaps someone will offer you a logical response. Good luck.

 

[drop bear]

I haven't had to read through the thread but some of Rackemann's ideas puzzle me. Why try to force Wing Chun to work in boxing range when it's clearly better adapted for the clinch? Why not just use regular boxing and then use Wing Chun to transition into grappling? Why sacrifice the power in a regular long-range horizontal punch for a vertical one, when the reason Chun's strikes are vertical in the first place is because they're meant to be performed at a range where you wouldn't be able to get any power from a horizontal punch?

Boxing has short range concepts that transition into grappling.

Why do wing chun at all?

I mean if you have to do boxing from other ranges. Then do some sort of stand up grappling system in the clinch.

You could pretty much save yourself a system.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Boxing has short range concepts that transition into grappling.

Why do wing chun at all?

I mean if you have to do boxing from other ranges. Then do some sort of stand up grappling system in the clinch.

You could pretty much save yourself a system.

"For the hell of it" has been good enough reason for many things in my life. In this case, "because you can" or "for the love of Wing Chun" both work, too.

 

[KPM]

I haven't had to read through the thread but some of Rackemann's ideas puzzle me. Why try to force Wing Chun to work in boxing range when it's clearly better adapted for the clinch? Why not just use regular boxing and then use Wing Chun to transition into grappling? Why sacrifice the power in a regular long-range horizontal punch for a vertical one, when the reason Chun's strikes are vertical in the first place is because they're meant to be performed at a range where you wouldn't be able to get any power from a horizontal punch?

What makes you think Rackemann does all of that? He starts his students out learning "standard" boxing for a full year before he starts showing them any Wing Chun.

 

[drop bear]

"For the hell of it" has been good enough reason for many things in my life. In this case, "because you can" or "for the love of Wing Chun" both work, too.

There you go then. Both questions answered.

 

[TMA17]

Why do wing chun at all?

You could pretty much save yourself a system.

That’s kind of where I’ve arrived with WC and why I stopped training in it after SLT.