Why the hate between TMA and MMA?

[drop bear]

What?

What do you mean they don't prove anything?

I mean, I had this dream the other night. I was wearing a loincloth for some reason, probably because my wife told me once that she'd like to see that. Y'all don't need to think too much about that... Mental Eraser Insert Here.

Anyway, my Russian beuty got captured by this cyclops, my wife did, (yeah, I know this paints me with the Ulysses marker, so what) and this huge guy is climbing this hill and he's pointing behind him as my wife with her fantastic derriere' is totally flashing over his shoulder, and he's sending his... I think the best word is minions at me and they are all wearing ninja costumes because (I think) that's what was my prototypical "Bad Guy" was when I was age 8 to 18 and I have to go up the trail on this hill, and the hill is mostly sand and it's hard to run uphill and these ninja guys - who are wearing different colored.... shoot I've no idea what the ninja gi is called (help me please) and these dudes and I suppose dudettes because some are smaller are running down the hill at me all deathly quiet because no one has ever heard a ninja say anything ever and I'm trying to run uphill in sand and everyone knows how impossible that is and still look cool and I'm failing miserably and here comes the first one and he launches himself in a flying kick and I'm like "Whew, that's easy" and I just touch him as he flies over and I duck and then the next one is there and he throws 3 shruriken with all three of his arms and I slip them mostly slipping as I go "Wow, really? 3 arms?" and then I'm on him and his hand is in his shirt as apparently nobody has ever dodged all all 3 and I suddenly remember "Wait! 3 Arms!" so I duck and his swing goes over my head as I head butt him in the solar plex (remember, running uphill in sand) but because of the sand it's not that effectual and all it does is move him back a pace so a quic Osoto and he goes down and on my way past I step on his neck and then the next one is there and he has his ninja-to out and it's cutting in a kesa-cut for all my important bits, which I think are important too keep intact, so I accelerate just enough to get inside the cut which most swordsman don't expect and I think "Whoa! Lucky!" and then keep going while dragging his lead wrist with me and as he spins around I invert his wrist witht a nifty mawashi-lock I discovered and he squeals like a little girls which I find surprising because I thought ninja had vows of silence but maybe that is just the TV ones, or maybe the movie ones, I don't know and now I've got his ninja-to and I've no damn idea how to use it so I just put it out in front of me and continue running... uphill... in sand....

This dream goes on for a long, long time folks. I could keep going, but I think you would get bored.

In the end, the fantastic derriere and I end up in the cyclop's hot tub drinking his mead, so it's all good.

And guess what I learned?

It really is hard to run in sand.

Yeah well when you put it that way........

 

[drop bear]

The issue, to me, isn't whether it could be taught. Folks I've talked to who trained at MMA gyms said it wasn't taught. It just wasn't part of the curriculum, because the curriculum was targeted at training for competition. Mind you, that's a small sample, and only from the US. As you say, there are plenty of people coaching MMA who have the capacity to teach such. Probably there are some who do.

If you can keep your head on straight during training with someone beating the crap out of you. You already have learned to deescalate.

 

[Tez3]

On this point... gently disagreed. There are some MMA gyms that actually have reasoning, trained and sound practitioners in them, as odd as that may seem. Rare, but they do exist.

It's not your principle Tez, but the absolutism, that I disagree with. Simply because you've not experienced it personally does not mean that restraint and common sense does not exist in all MMA gyms.

I'll grant you... it's quite rare.

Actually I made a typo there I meant to say not in most MMA gyms either but then I 've been in most MMA gyms in the UK and many in Europe so not quite absolutism.

I was in a hurry, we were off to see Guardians of the Galaxy Two, well worth it, a lovely relaxing film great fun and even a bit of a tear jerker.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Nobody bothers me.

 

[RTKDCMB]

If you can keep your head on straight during training with someone beating the crap out of you. You already have learned to deescalate.

If somebody is beating the crap out of you then your attempt at deescalation has failed.

 

[Headhunter]

"Oh because competent fighting skills will help when a rapist tells you not to fight back because he'll kill your children otherwise?"

I wasn't going to respond to anything that anyone said on here any more, but then I saw this statement and it brought back memories and flashbacks. I'm now curious. All that other ******** aside that all you people talk about, has anyone here actually been in that situation in real life, not just talking about it? Anyone? Because I know that I have. I remember it like it was yesterday. I can tell you right now from personal experience who here knows what the love they're talking about, and who does not. All those theories and training methods, and MMA vs TMA and SD principles, and all that other ********, is just that, ********. But whatever. I'm not going to call anyone out, because doing so would be pointless. I'm not going to argue with symantecs. I just felt really touched by this statement. For a brief second, I thought I heard someone say something that was actually truthful and untwisted for once. But I digress. My morning jog was quite relaxing. I ran 5 miles today, and now I'm going to lift some weights for a little bit. Have fun with your discussions. Don't ask me for ****.

Oh and just a couple days ago actually, my family was interviewed by a local news reporter in regards to that incident, which happened many years ago. Even now, I still choke up when I talk about it. You'll be either happy or indifferent to know that my family is safe, and the attacker is dead. Don't ask. You wouldn't believe me anyway. It doesn't matter.

So...you tell us something then say won't tell anything...makes sense...and um why do we care how far you ran?

 

[Paul_D]

That is what I mean. That help, Paul?
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It does mate yes. I'm with it now, thanks

 

[Gerry Seymour]

If you can keep your head on straight during training with someone beating the crap out of you. You already have learned to deescalate.

I think there's a correlation there (someone who keeps their head on straight has the capacity to stay calm, so has a chance to deescalate), but I don't think it's the whole picture. Someone being calm won't normally escalate a situation, but that won't naturally deescalate, either.

But you have a point, and it's one I've made before. Good training puts you under stress, pushes you, and consequently builds you up. All the things that help avoid victimhood and contribute to deescalation are helped by good training, even if that training never directly addresses them.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

If somebody is beating the crap out of you then your attempt at deescalation has failed.

I think he's talking about developing the ability to keep your head on under stress. Which, if you keep controlled and calm when you're getting destroyed in training, you're learning to do. And that makes deescalation easier.

 

[drop bear]

If somebody is beating the crap out of you then your attempt at deescalation has failed.

It depends. In training if you freak out and start a fight. It does nobody any good.

 

[FriedRice]

First, I really want, no need to know, in order to respond in the right way -- at least I think I do -- how old were you in 1994?

My point starts with.... money? Do you really think there was "money" in martial arts back in the day?

Shoot, is there "money" in martial arts now? Well, I supposes there is money, lower case "m" intended. But there is not Money. Or Dana's MONEY. In an M.B.A. there is Money. In an M.D. or Ph.D. (depending on field, granted) there is Money. In a J.D. there "might" be Money.

But... in the fight game? Maybe in ultimate high-level boxing, maybe.... but the lifestyle trade-off to be in MMA for a living seem.... shoot... it's easier to just get a job.

That was my point. The UFC was a God-send for most Martial Artists who sought to follow their passion by being a full time MA'ist/Fighter. There was little, if any money in Pro MA fighting back then to make a sustainable living for the average MA'ist. But the catch was, they can't BS their way into it any longer with their fancy, flowery forms and kata. The UFC exposed all of that. Then there were the Wrestlers, who had nowhere else to go other than, what, Assistant High School Wrestling Coach? And it's still not easy to make a living today as a full time MA'ist.

 

[FriedRice]

He wears tap out shirts to look tough so uh, he is probably sadly in his twenties.

DISCLAIMER

I am also in my twenties but do not do that

I wish I was in my 20's. And on a side note, I don't think that TapOut comes in XXXLL

 

[Tez3]

I wish I was in my 20's

A few more birthdays and you'll be in your twenties.

 

[FriedRice]

A few more birthdays and you'll be in your twenties.

Being closer to dying of old age is not really something that I look forward to.

 

[Tez3]

Being closer to dying of old age is not really something that I look forward to.

Then you are a fool, I know of too many young people whose lives were cut short and deserved to die of old age not cut down in their prime.

 

[Steve]

@Tez3 , sometimes, you say some really mean things for no reason I can fathom.

 

[Ironbear24]

I wish I was in my 20's. And on a side note, I don't think that TapOut comes in XXXLL

Are you saying you are that big? I guess you can look it up on their website and see if they have something in your size.

 

[drop bear]

I wish I was in my 20's. And on a side note, I don't think that TapOut comes in XXXLL

probably sell more in XXXLL

 

[Tez3]

Then you are a fool, I know of too many young people whose lives were cut short and deserved to die of old age not cut down in their prime.

Apart from friends and colleagues killed in action over the years, two who remain in my mind were martial arts students of mine, both killed in Afghanistan, one shot, one blown up. One was 20 the other 22 and newly married. They deserved to grow old, to watch their grandchildren and to die of old age not the way they did.
Growing old is a privilege not everyone has, everyone has someone in their family who has been taken too soon, to whinge about dying in old age is to misunderstand how lucky you are to grow old.

 

[Ironbear24]

Apart from friends and colleagues killed in action over the years, two who remain in my mind were martial arts students of mine, both killed in Afghanistan, one shot, one blown up. One was 20 the other 22 and newly married. They deserved to grow old, to watch their grandchildren and to die of old age not the way they did.
Growing old is a privilege not everyone has, everyone has someone in their family who has been taken too soon, to whinge about dying in old age is to misunderstand how lucky you are to grow old.

I dread getting old but I also dread dying more. So I will take getting older and doing what I can to stay in good shape.