i wouldn't say they dont work, but it has to be changed in order to use it. and you end up using different muscles groups when doing things against a resisting opponent and different foot place meant then you normally would for the form so im just trying to ask if theirs better ways to do things then the traditional method.
Some things will change but it shouldn't be so different that you are no longer using the movement found in the Kata. For example, I should be able to take a sparring video and identify concepts, movements, and structures that are found in the form. When you actually do an application, it should feel familiar to something you have done in a form. Even if you stumble upon a technique. That technique should have a familiar feel to it. It shouldn't feel foreign. For example, squaring to lift someone should feel familiar to a horse stance. A punch should feel familiar to a punch that is done in the form.. If you are changing things so much that it loses that familiarity. Then there's a chance you are using the technique at all. You end up teaching one technique and applying a totally different technique and thinking that the two are the same. That is just going to lead to confusion.
Yes there is more to martial arts than forms but if you are teaching forms then it is your job to understand them and understand the moves. If you don't know then your students sure as hell don't know and then when they start to teach then their students won't know then it's a downward spiral of no understanding and eventually no one in your lineage will have a clue what it's all about. Honestly at black belt you should know this. Simple as that. Of course black belts don't have every single answer but they sure as hell should be able to tell you the purpose of a fundamental part of the system they're teaching. No ones saying you have to be perfect but your 23 and you've been running a school for a fair bit of time and you by your own admission can't structure a class and motivate your students and your students aren't improving and you don't understand a big part of the system and probably the hardest part of the system since forms take a lot of practice and memory to perform well so if your teaching your students but you're not teaching them the purpose behind them. Then it's no wonder they're not motivated and they're not improving. It's like trying to write a story without knowing the definition of the words you're writing. If you don't understand something then don't teach it simple as that otherwise your students will suffer and will end up with high ranks but end up very sloppy and if they perform in front of an instructor who does understand then they'll be ripped to shreds and they won't thank you for that. Maybe your brilliant at sparring techniques so teach that but you shouldn't be teaching something you don't know. Maybe this comes across as harsh but honestly it has to be said because there's to much poor martial arts being taught in the traditional systems because of lack of understanding
I think your being e exceptional harsh with someone who has opened a simple dialogue to help his own understanding. It's almost like your in a very bad mood and taking your frustrations out on others.
i do know some of the reasons for forms and i teach that. also for the structuring class i am trying to find new ways of doing it cause everyone does it differently and i can admit that my way wasn't the best so i am trying to find new ways to do it. I also have 2 different forums going for different topics so, can we try to keep this one about forms, and the other one about class structure.
I don't disagree but I know some clubs are trained in the stupid old fashioned way of never asking questions. But yes before opening a school it's something that 100% should've been found out one way or another and the fact that it wasn't found out and the op has run a school for nearly 3 years without knowing this stuff so essentially has just been teaching movements with no understanding of them...well that's sloppy
Lol any of this coming from you is hilarious.
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Most people may understand "copy". Some people may not understand "modify".
Are you still training? And by that I mean training with an instructor. A lot of questions you're asking here could be answered if you were still training under someone, and there's a lot to learn when you start teaching (new ways of looking at things), that an instructor can help guide you with.
I agree and support you 100% here.
Pretty much my opinion as well. Again not all of it is the ops fault. It's his instructors fault for promoting someone to black belt without them having the proper understanding some of that rank needs to teach, but yes op also needs to accept some responsiblity for not asking enough questions during his time training as I'm guessing by his posts he doesn't train under anyone anymore
I've seen in some schools where detailed understanding isn't required. You can name 3 applications for a technique then that would be enough to be considered being knowledgeable. There isn't a push to really understand how to use it outside of a demo form.
I understand a middle block and that that motion can be done to block an opponents punch or thigs like that but that is a basic part of a form has you learn more forms you end up doing complicaited moves in the forms and it never really goes that way in a fight.
