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[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
First of all both above quotes were not intended for you so dont take offence.

Thats some great info.. but again I dont think they know my age at least no-one ever asked me for it. Maybe if they knew my age they would not have recognized such rank, but I do have the certificates.

No problem, if they were not intended for me. But to whom where they intended to?

Certificates... They are not from WTF. If you look at the requirements, you do need to fill out an application form. Notice, APPLICATION FORM. It also requires ID. The application form requires you to have your birthdate on it. Your ID also has your birthdate. So logically...

Plus, you need a recommendation from a 9th dan or someone very high up there in the supreme council who are also 9th dans. They don't give recommendations to anyone. And please take note... 9th dans that are recognized by Kukkiwon, and have met all the requirements on that page plus many extra ones not listed.

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Not only are the false claims made by posers an insult to the real Martial Artists; they are an embarrassment to their community and a disgrace to their families. Imposters deceive and abuse the trust of students, and boast about stupid exploits; sometimes they even manage to fool acquaintances for an extended period of time... but eventually they will be discovered and exposed.

I agree with you here and wish I could post those certificates just to put it all out there.


Again if you send me a PM with a mailing address you can be reached at I will send copies, and after your review you can post them.

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
I agree with you here and wish I could post those certificates just to put it all out there.


Again if you send me a PM with a mailing address you can be reached at I will send copies, and after your review you can post them.

Can't you just go to kinko's and get it scanned?

 

[RyuShiKan]

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
No problem, if they were not intended for me. But to whom where they intended to?

Certificates... They are not from WTF. If you look at the requirements, you do need to fill out an application form. Notice, APPLICATION FORM. It also requires ID. The application form requires you to have your birthdate on it. Your ID also has your birthdate. So logically...

Plus, you need a recommendation from a 9th dan or someone very high up there in the supreme council who are also 9th dans. They don't give recommendations to anyone. And please take note... 9th dans that are recognized by Kukkiwon, and have met all the requirements on that page plus many extra ones not listed.

I do have a certificate from the WTF and was never required to fill out a aplication? The certificate has the kukkiwon on the front and the WTF seal.

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by Kirk
Can't you just go to kinko's and get it scanned?

Kirk,
Idid not know that kinkos could scan and post it here for me, I will have to look into that thanks.

Please be patient I'm a detention deputy and dont work in corporate america.:rofl:

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
I do have a certificate from the WTF and was never required to fill out a aplication? The certificate has the kukkiwon on the front and the WTF seal.

Probably not a real one.

Is it handwritten? Is there a seal? You can tell if it's hand-carved, or just copied. Hand-carved - Looks like real ink, it shouldn't be perfectly applied with certain areas that are darker than others. You really can't simulate the "authentic" look. Can you scan it?

Sorry to say, you were probably duped. Who gave it to you would be my first question. It is probably a fake right as of right now. Don't confuse seal with logo. Just because it has the WTF logo and a picture of Kukkiwon doesn't mean anything. And the certificates for higher ranks aren't just paper. It's real quality, thick paper, has brownish and yellowish tints to it.

Certificate isn't real.

 

[MartialArtist]

Anyway, if you know the person and/or the organization that gave you the certificate, post it here. I'm interested. And the manner of how you received it.

 

[Disco]

You claim that Youk Dan rank should be in their late 40's early 50's. Don't know where you come up with that age figure. In my 20yrs in TKD I've seen and met more 30 something and early 40 year olds that were Korean and held 6th, 7th and 8th dan rankings than you can shake a stick at. The midwest states are full of them. In fact I'll give you a web site to go to that has Korean Masters pictures. www.ustw.org These are all 8th and 9th dans and most are under 50.

I just don't like to see somebody jumping on a bandwagon against one person and then making claims that are shall we say less then correct. Very similiar to another of your posts stating all TKD schools in America are connected to Korea. I answered that one also but more blind eyes. You have something factual and constructive to say/add then by all means please do. Just don't blast off a shotgun statement and exspect it to fly.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
Kirk,
Idid not know that kinkos could scan and post it here for me, I will have to look into that thanks.

Please be patient I'm a detention deputy and dont work in corporate america.:rofl:

Here is a link to Kinkos.

http://www.kinkos.com/our_services/index.php

Look under Services and then Computer & Facilities.........they do scanning.

 

[chufeng]

DAC,

Stop scrambling...
You see what boasting high rank gets you???
The same thing your teacher got...
The number of so-called Masters in this country is AMAZING.

I told my teacher to stuff my last promotion...
and he did, right up my backside...
But I wear any number of colored belts on a week to week basis...

If someone were to ask what my rank was, I'd have to say at least a 3rd level black sash...but what does that mean???

Can I take it?
Can I dish it out?
Can I teach others to do the same?

Yes, yes, and yes...
Can I verify the rank my Sifu has awarded me?
Yes...

...and I am sure it is the same with you...
ZDW, MRJ, ARK etc...will verify your rank...

Can you dish it out?
Probably

Can you take it?
I don't know

Can you teach it?
I don't know

So, why do you want to continue this circular argument?
Is it so you can walk in the path of your teacher?

Personally, I like to learn from someone else's mistakes...
That way I don't have to repeat them...

I will not respond to this silliness again...I did so with your teacher, and now briefly with you...but I'm done...

Good training

:asian:
chufeng

 

[arnisador]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
On the basis of lishu also evolved caoshu

How many of these styles would Joe Average know? I assume they're special styles for the most part that only ex[erts and enthusiasts would be familiar with?

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
Probably not a real one.

Is it handwritten? Is there a seal? You can tell if it's hand-carved, or just copied. Hand-carved - Looks like real ink, it shouldn't be perfectly applied with certain areas that are darker than others. You really can't simulate the "authentic" look. Can you scan it?

Sorry to say, you were probably duped. Who gave it to you would be my first question. It is probably a fake right as of right now. Don't confuse seal with logo. Just because it has the WTF logo and a picture of Kukkiwon doesn't mean anything. And the certificates for higher ranks aren't just paper. It's real quality, thick paper, has brownish and yellowish tints to it.

Certificate isn't real.

You just described the cert. it is hand written and has the tints ect. keep watching this thread over the next couple of days as I will find a way to get it scanned in here.

 

[arnisador]

Originally posted by RyuShiKan
“Quisinart” like the thing that mixes food.

"Cuisinart", from the French cuisine (as long as we're doing spelling flames).

 

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by Disco
You claim that Youk Dan rank should be in their late 40's early 50's. Don't know where you come up with that age figure. In my 20yrs in TKD I've seen and met more 30 something and early 40 year olds that were Korean and held 6th, 7th and 8th dan rankings than you can shake a stick at. The midwest states are full of them. In fact I'll give you a web site to go to that has Korean Masters pictures. www.ustw.org These are all 8th and 9th dans and most are under 50.

I just don't like to see somebody jumping on a bandwagon against one person and then making claims that are shall we say less then correct. Very similiar to another of your posts stating all TKD schools in America are connected to Korea. I answered that one also but more blind eyes. You have something factual and constructive to say/add then by all means please do. Just don't blast off a shotgun statement and exspect it to fly.

Notice the organization... UTSW. A little history on TKD...

Here is an excerpt from that website you posted.

The United States Taekwondo Won was formed to develop and expand the philosophy and principles of Taekwondo in the United States. The ancient martial art of Taekwondo was founded in Korea, but has firmly settled in the United States of America since the 1950's

From my understanding, the name "tae kwon do" did not exist. How could the ancient martial art of TKD set foot in Korea? Yes, it had different names until they finally decided upon TKD, but the 1950s. That is the era right after the Japanese occupation in Korea. This was the very same era of the Korean War. I doubt that the TKD we see today could have set foot.

You know something else? Your very same website (of an organization that really isn't the authority, rather merely a promoter of the arts as MA lovers). You say that you know lots of 8th and 9th dans, where most are under 50. First of all, the first thing I come to is "FRAUD". There is absolutely no way they can fit so much training in such short time. Anyway, you ready for the big truth? Age requirement for 9th dan is 53 years old. So yes, I do doubt you.

http://www.ustw.org/ustw_dan_certification.htm - article 8

 

[MartialArtist]

Also Disco, keep in mind that the very same website you posted mentions Kukkiwon as if they were the standard.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by arnisador
How many of these styles would Joe Average know? I assume they're special styles for the most part that only ex[erts and enthusiasts would be familiar with?

Most people that are really into calligraphy know one style well and maybe can dable a bit of 2 or 3 others.
People that study it are usually asked to go through a level of exams and get certified (in Japan anyway)…however, people that are good at it don’t need the certificate and don’t claim to hold any rank. Kinda reflects the topic at hand……..no?

When I was in China I was doing Chinese Painting and I went to a brush store to get a new brush……..I asked the old gent at the store which was a good brush to buy and he said any of them. I asked which brush would give me the best results and he said it didn’t matter………he picked up the cheapest, nastiest, brush in his shop and said look…….he whipped out some kanji of such quality that I could only dream about making.
He said it’s not the brush but the “brusher”……..he then stuck his finger in some ink and did the same kanji with his finger nail in the same excellent style as before.
It makes you think.........

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by arnisador
"Cuisinart", from the French cuisine (as long as we're doing spelling flames).

Thanks. My spellcheck kept kicking it out.

 

[chufeng]

Note: generic reply...

It is interesting that that site claims to be

a non-profit organization created to organize and promote Taekwondo as a martial art in the United States.

Why does TKD need to be promoted AS a martial art in the US?
Is it not a martial art in other places?
Or are we to be duped into thinking it really is a martial art, when in fact it isn't?

I am not trying to start another argument...just posing an interesting twist on the "promotion of TaeKwonDo" by the USTW.



chufeng

 

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by chufeng
DAC,

Stop scrambling...
You see what boasting high rank gets you???
The same thing your teacher got...
The number of so-called Masters in this country is AMAZING.

I told my teacher to stuff my last promotion...
and he did, right up my backside...
But I wear any number of colored belts on a week to week basis...

If someone were to ask what my rank was, I'd have to say at least a 3rd level black sash...but what does that mean???

Can I take it?
Can I dish it out?
Can I teach others to do the same?

Yes, yes, and yes...
Can I verify the rank my Sifu has awarded me?
Yes...

...and I am sure it is the same with you...
ZDW, MRJ, ARK etc...will verify your rank...

Can you dish it out?
Probably

Can you take it?
I don't know

Can you teach it?
I don't know

So, why do you want to continue this circular argument?
Is it so you can walk in the path of your teacher?

Personally, I like to learn from someone else's mistakes...
That way I don't have to repeat them...

I will not respond to this silliness again...I did so with your teacher, and now briefly with you...but I'm done...

Good training

:asian:
chufeng

WOW,

I'm not scrambling, I will post the certificate. I want them to see it I supose I could have been scammed by a MCdojo like so many other americans and what better way to prove it than to bring it to forums like this with others whom have Knowledge to share.

I did not post my rank here because of this but someone went to our web site found it and here it is, I dont mind defending it because I beleive it to be true and I am proud of it, I lost alot of blood sweat and tears to earn it! also too many trips to they emergency room. I understand your point and respect your opinion I to usually dont where a belt and I am a very humble person, but I do not feel this is going to be a circular discussion.