Winning - Important or Irrelevant?

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JudoChampion said:
What do you call someone who trains in "how to kill"? :)
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Im inclined to Agree with "Serious".
Or Traditional.
Or a Martial Artist. Its the Martial Art that does the Training and sets the Syllabus; The Trainee is always a Martial Artist.
Some Martial Arts still teach you to Employ Lethal Force.
 
JudoChampion said:
Don't judge me for what happened at other forums - I quit them, rather than getting fired, as you suggest. You have NO clue what really transpired behind the scenes. Furthermore, it is you who is getting aggressive and taunting me, unsuccessfully, in all your replies to all my posts. Your "warrior assassin" view of yourself is comical to me - so please don't try to bully me here on MT, or anywhere else, it won't work... and I would recommend that you not come around my neighborhood with all that attitude in your pocket, holding that rather large chip on your shoulder. You may have to walk away with neither, if you walk away, at all.

If I had a problem with a certain member, for whatever reason, as you appear to have with me - I'd ignore their threads & posts, rather than reply negatively to each and every one of them, as you appear to be doing. You don't like me? So you're making it hard for me to like you? Let it go bro - there are far more important things in life to worry about, than the importance or irrelevance of winning, really. YOU WIN! Kay? Kay.
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Before you "quit" here too, I think you should reread the rules. You have read them right? You didn't just check the box that said you read them but didn't read them? Only stupid pooperheads do that. When are you sending me my pony? It's in there. Section 1.8. Read it. Then send me my pony.

Winning. Define it. Then I'll tell you if it's important. Never mind. I'll do that for you. I'm always doing this extra work. Winning is of supreme importance. I always win. I have never lost in my life. I will never ever lose. I will always win. Even on the day that I die, I will beat the doctors best efforts to keep me alive.

Now, if we're talking about winning some stupid contest, where you see if I can hit you in the accepted spots, while ignoring actual effective techniques, so that some guy raises a flag and yells "point!", while a bunch of mouth breathers who think Power Rangers is real karate, who cares? That is irrelevant. Might be fun. Might make you think you're something with a wall full of trophies. But it doesn't make you a 'martial artist' any more than scoring a touchdown in hockey does. Can you tell I think competitions are a joke? Am I being too subtle again? I can be more blunt. Winning a competition where the prize is a little medal you wear or trophy you display is irrelevant. Winning a life or death struggle is important. Knowing the difference between the too? Priceless. For everything else, there's LegionaryCard. (TM)
 
The Last Legionary said:
Before you "quit" here too, I think you should reread the rules. You have read them right? You didn't just check the box that said you read them but didn't read them? Only stupid pooperheads do that. When are you sending me my pony? It's in there. Section 1.8. Read it. Then send me my pony.

Winning. Define it. Then I'll tell you if it's important. Never mind. I'll do that for you. I'm always doing this extra work. Winning is of supreme importance. I always win. I have never lost in my life. I will never ever lose. I will always win. Even on the day that I die, I will beat the doctors best efforts to keep me alive.

Now, if we're talking about winning some stupid contest, where you see if I can hit you in the accepted spots, while ignoring actual effective techniques, so that some guy raises a flag and yells "point!", while a bunch of mouth breathers who think Power Rangers is real karate, who cares? That is irrelevant. Might be fun. Might make you think you're something with a wall full of trophies. But it doesn't make you a 'martial artist' any more than scoring a touchdown in hockey does. Can you tell I think competitions are a joke? Am I being too subtle again? I can be more blunt. Winning a competition where the prize is a little medal you wear or trophy you display is irrelevant. Winning a life or death struggle is important. Knowing the difference between the too? Priceless. For everything else, there's LegionaryCard. (TM)
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NOTE: Pony is in the mail. Advice me when it arrives. :)
 
Folks - The fact of the matter is that I clearly, did NOT make this thread clear to understand what I was referring to - when posting my original question. In the future, I will try to be more informative and give a better description of what I mean. In this case, I should have been more clear - that I was only referring to winning in sports - NO other kind. Although, I did bring it up on a few posts, after the fact - in my defense. :)
 
JudoChampion said:
Folks - The fact of the matter is that I clearly, did NOT make this thread clear to understand what I was referring to - when posting my original question. In the future, I will try to be more informative and give a better description of what I mean. In this case, I should have been more clear - that I was only referring to winning in sports - NO other kind. Although, I did bring it up on a few posts, after the fact - in my defense. :)
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It is slightly tragic, that alot could have been avoided by adding "Sport/Tournament Wise" to the start of the OP :)
 
?:confused:? You are comparing me to the Sensei from Cobra Kai? :BSmeter:
 
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Cyriacus said:
It is slightly tragic, that alot could have been avoided by adding "Sport/Tournament Wise" to the start of the OP :)
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Do my many attempts of correcting my OP, by adding that exactly, in later posts, not count? Several times I posted "competition" winning - NOT kill or be killed in a battle to the death. Yet, those who train to kill, couldn't accept that.
 
Who would win a sparring match between his hair and Chuck Norris' beard? :D
 
Heated arguments aside, I have a pretty simple perspective, and I haven't seen it raised yet. I believe that there's a fine line between competing to improve yourself and making excuses for losing before you've even lost.

What I mean is, for competition to be of value to you in your training, you have to compete to win. If you go out on the mat (or whatever) and half-*** the thing, that's not doing anyone any good. I'm competing to test myself and find gaps in my training... to measure my game against people with whom I don't train regularly. If I go out and you've already decided that this is "just for fun" or you're simply "trying it out, but don't expect to win" that's wasting my time. It's disrespectful to me and to you.

Given that you're out there to win, doing your best, taking it seriously, the rest doesn't matter. You don't grow if you don't stretch yourself. And the only way to stretch yourself is to take risks.
 
If the thread had been titled, "How important is winning"........
I wonder if our replies would have been any different?

P.S. Ameri-Do-Te just cracks me up!
 
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