Wing Chun Boxing

[KPM]

As has been explained to you, it need not sweep. The action and arm position is there. You just never learned far enough.



Not the way you do, because I understand the taan-concept punch, and that taan-sau is a pre-punch position that trains the elbow for such a punch.

What happens to the elbow during the chau-kyun in CK? It recovers center from the raised position in bong-sau, contracting inward.

You have interpreted this as a taan-sau because the palm turns up, not knowing what happens at the elbow.

Do you understand why taan-sau is never on the outside with contact on the inside of the forearm in pun-sau training? It doesn't contract inward.

Of course, you're unable to examine this because you never learned the concepts and do a big loopy punch leading with the fist. Same as your bong-sau overhand punch. It's fist-led.

You have no elbow concept in your WC at all. So, it's easy to make up whatever you want without conceptual twists. Because you have no concepts to twist, only to make up.

That may apply to you extra special VT, but this is a thread on Wing Chun Boxing. So why are you trying to tell me I am wrong just because I don't know you extra special secret VT?

 

[LFJ]

You are describing your styles limitations. Which don't apply to what KPM is doing.

That is the point of this thread is KFM has more flexibility to change or make up concepts.

It is the difference between your martial arts and someone else's.

You would have to show why your concepts are functional before you can discount someone else's.

That may apply to you extra special VT, but this is a thread on Wing Chun Boxing. So why are you trying to tell me I am wrong just because I don't know you extra special secret VT?

It is actually all YM lineages and probably any others that use pun-sau training.

All lineages always roll with taan-sau having contact on the outside of the forearm, never inside. There is a reason.

Some apparently just don't know the reason, and it never crossed their minds to think why, or at least KPM never got that far in studying them.

I'd like to see any one lineage that uses the inside of the forearm for taan-sau. Probably worth a good laugh.

KPM, you might be "right" for your "Wing Chun Boxing" because you aren't combining WC and WB, you're making most of it up as you go.

 

[drop bear]

It is actually all YM lineages and probably any others that use pun-sau training.

All lineages always roll with taan-sau having contact on the outside of the forearm, never inside. There is a reason.

Some apparently just don't know the reason, and it never crossed their minds to think why, or at least KPM never got that far in studying them.

I'd like to see any one lineage that uses the inside of the forearm for taan-sau. Probably worth a good laugh.

KPM, you might be "right" for your "Wing Chun Boxing" because you aren't combining WC and WB, you're making most of it up as you go.

Well you either have a reason or you don't for why you taan sau like you do. And we can either accept it or discount it.

Have you explained your reasoning yet?

I mean linage doesn't count for anything unless it is backed up by functional success.

 

[KPM]

It is actually all YM lineages and probably any others that use pun-sau training.

All lineages always roll with taan-sau having contact on the outside of the forearm, never inside. There is a reason.

Some apparently just don't know the reason, and it never crossed their minds to think why, or at least KPM never got that far in studying them.

I'd like to see any one lineage that uses the inside of the forearm for taan-sau. Probably worth a good laugh.

KPM, you might be "right" for your "Wing Chun Boxing" because you aren't combining WC and WB, you're making most of it up as you go.

You really should think more before you post. Because you are sounding more and more ridiculous each time! Because I have said nothing about poon sau are which side of the forearm and you are jumping to some pretty big assumptions solely for the purpose of being argumentative!

 

[LFJ]

Well you either have a reason or you don't for why you taan sau like you do. And we can either accept it or discount it.

Have you explained your reasoning yet?

I mean linage doesn't count for anything unless it is backed up by functional success.

You really should think more before you post. Because you are sounding more and more ridiculous each time! Because I have said nothing about poon sau are which side of the forearm and you are jumping to some pretty big assumptions solely for the purpose of being argumentative!

Because taan elbow "spreads" from the line as the name suggests, while the chau-kyun elbow contracts to the line.

It's the exact opposite...

The pun-sau reference is to make it clear to you, taan never contracts to center with the inner forearm from outside, as the action you're mistaking for a taan punch does.

You are literally doing the exact opposite of what you're calling it, because you saw the orientation of the hand but had no clue what it's actually doing.

That's how most misinterpretations are made; by looking at shapes and guessing without information.

 

[KPM]

Because taan elbow "spreads" from the line as the name suggests, while the chau-kyun elbow contracts to the line.

It's the exact opposite...

The pun-sau reference is to make it clear to you, taan never contracts to center with the inner forearm from outside, as the action you're mistaking for a taan punch does.

You are literally doing the exact opposite of what you're calling it, because you saw the orientation of the hand but had no clue what it's actually doing.

That's how most misinterpretations are made; by looking at shapes and guessing without information.

You are simply arguing lineage semantics. Tan means "to spread". You can spread inward or outward. But I have not been referring to the concept of "tan". I have been referring to the shape. I even commented on being able to "see" a punch in a Tan. So is your wing chun so inflexible and dogmatic that you truly can't see that? Or do you just like to make everything an argument whenever you can?

 

[karatejj]

You really don't know great wing chun when you see it. Because you almost never see it function.

Are you sayin KPM no good? Lol he know more Wing Vhun than you seen in ur life

 

[LFJ]

You are simply arguing lineage semantics. Tan means "to spread". You can spread inward or outward.

Not lineage semantics, as no lineage ever has taan-sau spreading inward. That's what fuk-sau is for. That's why you never see any lineage do chi-sau using a taan in fuk's position. They'd have too be as confused as you to do something as funny.

But I have not been referring to the concept of "tan". I have been referring to the shape.

So, you admit, to come to your idea, you have to castrate the concept from the shape. Then you can "see" anything, but it's not WC/VT, because the concepts you're discarding are WC/VT.

 

[wckf92]

Are you sayin KPM no good? Lol he know more Wing Vhun than you seen in ur life

...just curious but...how do you know how much WC Drop Bear has seen in his life?

 

[karatejj]

Because taan elbow "spreads" from the line as the name suggests, while the chau-kyun elbow contracts to the line.

It's the exact opposite...

The pun-sau reference is to make it clear to you, taan never contracts to center with the inner forearm from outside, as the action you're mistaking for a taan punch does.

You are literally doing the exact opposite of what you're calling it, because you saw the orientation of the hand but had no clue what it's actually doing.

That's how most misinterpretations are made; by looking at shapes and guessing without information.

This is interesting man. I always wonder why the Tan block on outside. And you right, I never seen it on inside!!

 

[karatejj]

You are simply arguing lineage semantics. Tan means "to spread". You can spread inward or outward. But I have not been referring to the concept of "tan". I have been referring to the shape. I even commented on being able to "see" a punch in a Tan. So is your wing chun so inflexible and dogmatic that you truly can't see that? Or do you just like to make everything an argument whenever you can?

You do both sides Tan?? I never see this neither, Lol I learn more every day

 

[KPM]

You do both sides Tan?? I never see this neither, Lol I learn more every day

The transition move on the dummy......some call it Gang Sau, some Gan/Jum.....if the upper arm is directed with downward pressure it can be seen as a Jum or Chum Sau. But if the pressure is sweeping across and not pressing down, then how can it be a chum, which means "to sink or collapse"? When it sweeps inward it is more of an inward Tan because it is deflecting, redirecting, or "spreading".

 

[karatejj]

The transition move on the dummy......some call it Gang Sau, some Gan/Jum.....if the upper arm is directed with downward pressure it can be seen as a Jum or Chum Sau. But if the pressure is sweeping across and not pressing down, then how can it be a chum, which means "to sink or collapse"? When it sweeps inward it is more of an inward Tan because it is deflecting, redirecting, or "spreading".

Great info, thanx man. I not get too the dummy yet.

 

[Martial D]

You are simply arguing lineage semantics. Tan means "to spread". You can spread inward or outward. But I have not been referring to the concept of "tan". I have been referring to the shape. I even commented on being able to "see" a punch in a Tan. So is your wing chun so inflexible and dogmatic that you truly can't see that? Or do you just like to make everything an argument whenever you can?

In my WC there is an action in SLT that uses taan as a strike with the fingertips to the neck. Taan strike, low bong, taan block, palm/ridge strike.

If you close the fist, you are left with a sort of uppercut/cross hybrid that travels in a sort of corkscrew fashion. It's actually a very landable close range strike.

 

[KPM]

Are you sayin KPM no good? Lol he know more Wing Vhun than you seen in ur life

No, I think Drop Bear is saying that forms and drills don't truly show how good you wing chun is. You have to really see it working "on the fly" to know that. Someone can have really fancy and impressive chi sau and drilling that falls apart under pressure when facing an opponent not doing wing chun!

 

[KPM]

Not lineage semantics, as no lineage ever has taan-sau spreading inward. That's what fuk-sau is for. That's why you never see any lineage do chi-sau using a taan in fuk's position. They'd have too be as confused as you to do something as funny.


VT.

I'm telling you man, you are sounding more and more ridiculous with each post. Chu Sau Li lineage has an inward Tan. Pin Sun has an inward Tan. So you think chi Sau defines everything in wing chun? You really are showing a narrow view and knowledge of wing chun limited only to you own lineage. You don't seem to know as much as you want everyone to think you know!

 

[LFJ]

Chu Sau Li lineage has an inward Tan. Pin Sun has an inward Tan.

"Inward taan" is an oxymoron, because taan means to spread out, as in to expand.

That is the opposite of contract. You can't expand inward.

Whatever they are doing is not the taan concept. Probably caught up on handshape again.

 

[Nobody Important]

You do both sides Tan?? I never see this neither, Lol I learn more every day

New trolling tactic Guy? Pretending to play both sides? You really should think about therapy.

 

[karatejj]

New trolling tactic Guy? Pretending to play both sides? You really should think about therapy.

What u talkin about man? I don't know u

 

[Nobody Important]

What u talkin about man? I don't know u

Lol, don't bee a ha8er!