Why the hate between TMA and MMA?

[Headhunter]

You mustn't know very many. I met assholes in many styles.

Actually I do and none of them are arrogant at all. Yeah there are but that's just humans nothing to do with them fighting mma

 

[Headhunter]

Sounds more like he is promoting a limited and biased data set.

Pretty much

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

You have talked countless times on this forum about your experience in the martial arts but no one on here has ever seen you physically do any martial arts training, demonstrate any techniques or seen footage of you competing in competitions or fighting in the street, Seems like anecdotal evidence to me.

Not that it matters. Everything anyone ever posts is immediately attacked with brutal criticism anyway. I've noticed that about the internet. I posted some pictures of myself training with some rather famous martial artists who already have a reputation for being badass, but I never mentioned their names. Instead, I just watched as people criticised us for everything we say and do (lol). Other martial artists who I've never even heard of outside of MT started making crazy remarks about how I have bad form, or improper technique. It's actually quite humorous. I wouldn't stress so much over it if I was you.

Pretty much

My point exactly. It's like no matter what you say or do, people will just ignore it. All they really are looking for is an argument. I rest my case. Lol

 

[RTKDCMB]

Not that it matters. Everything anyone ever posts is immediately attacked with brutal criticism anyway

Yes because we all know that people on the internet have such a reputation for civilized behavior, mild opinions and well informed comments.

 

[Headhunter]

Not that it matters. Everything anyone ever posts is immediately attacked with brutal criticism anyway. I've noticed that about the internet. I posted some pictures of myself training with some rather famous martial artists who already have a reputation for being badass, but I never mentioned their names. Instead, I just watched as people criticised us for everything we say and do (lol). Other martial artists who I've never even heard of outside of MT started making crazy remarks about how I have bad form, or improper technique. It's actually quite humorous. I wouldn't stress so much over it if I was you.



My point exactly. It's like no matter what you say or do, people will just ignore it. All they really are looking for is an argument. I rest my case. Lol

You haven't even been on this board a month and yet you seem to know exactly how this board works? If someone posts something people will give their opinion on it. That's the whole point. You're just get upset because people's opinions on your style isn't what you want to hear. You haven't heard of people on here? And? What's your point? No ones heard of you either.

It's funny you say all this because you're the one on here constantly looking for arguments and even admitted to making a thread specifically to cause an argument

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

You haven't even been on this board a month and yet you seem to know exactly how this board works? If someone posts something people will give their opinion on it. That's the whole point. You're just get upset because people's opinions on your style isn't what you want to hear. You haven't heard of people on here? And? What's your point? No ones heard of you either.

It's funny you say all this because you're the one on here constantly looking for arguments and even admitted to making a thread specifically to cause an argument

None of what you just said has any basis in truth. Everything you just said is out of context (lol). I haven't even been on this forum for a month, okay? But I wasn't refering specifically to this forum, I was refering to the internet in general (lol). I don't get upset at all by what anyone says on this forum. I rather enjoy reading all the posts and comments, actually (lol). And sure nobody's heard of me (yeah right lol), but actually if you read what I said, I was refering to the guys I trained with, not refering to myself (lol). I didn't mention their names because it just makes it that much funnier. It's like watching people rag on Chuck Norris, it's just hilarious to be honest. I actually don't go looking for arguments, and there is not one shred of evidence to support that claim, so I don't know where you got that idea from. I'm assuming you just made that up in your mind (lol). I don't initiate arguments. I might entertain them, or respond to them as I see fit, but I don't start them to begin with. I'm entertaining this argument with you right now, but I wasn't trying to start an argument. I'm just responding to your argument, that's all (lol). And I never admitted to making a thread specifically to cause an argument. That's a blatant lie, taken completely out of context (lol). I did start one thread on this forum though just to prove a point, that people on the internet are bashfully argumentative (lol). But that's okay. If you think it upsets me, you're wrong. If anyone sounds upset right now, it's you (lol). You made some typos as a result.

It's cool man. Just relax.

 

[Tez3]

My opinion on this has changed 3 times in my life.

When I

- was young, I had learned more than 50 forms. I was pretty much a form collector. I loved form back then.
- started tournament competition. Fighting was the only thing that I was interested. I stop form training. I hated form in that period of time.
- getting older, I use the form that I had created myself (not the form that I had learned from my teachers) to keep myself in good physical shape (when training partner is not available). I neither love nor hate form.

and it didn't change once because of a stranger on the internet telling you his style was better than yours.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

You think?

You are by definition training to fight a trained guy. Sort of.

Because you are training with guys who are training. There is going to be an arms race.

When we look at the UFC and the really trained guys. They are doing martial arts basics. Because they win you fights. Arm bars that rely on gross mistakes really don't.



When i repeatedly mentioned defenses to double leg take down as being
Overhook.
Sprawl.
Crossface.

This is because it is the first thing you will learn in a grappling class
It is also the defence Demetrius Johnson used to win his last UFC fight.

Beginners to experts same move.

Now I could train rubbish downward elbow on the chance that in self defence someone will throw rubbish double legs. But why would i?

It's not a "rubbish downward elbow" if, in fact, a "rubbish double legs" shows up. That's the point. It's not a useful tool against a trained grappler, but it actually can be used against something that isn't a good double-leg. It's not waiting around for a bad double-leg to show up, it's using what works in the situation. A downward elbow is not a different thing that takes a lot of training. Most of us train elbows, anyway. And most of us are competent to deliver them downward. So, if something shows up that a downward elbow works on, I'll use it, instead of a sprawl. Why? Because the sprawl sacrifices stability, mobility, and field of view. If that's what's needed, then that's what I'll do, but I'm not going to do it against an attack where a downward elbow would work. Oh, and neither would Demetrius Johnson, I expect. If his opponent stumbled the entry to a double-leg, he might just get a downward elbow, too (though there are other options I'd rather use in most cases).

 

[Headhunter]

None of what you just said has any basis in truth. Everything you just said is out of context (lol). I haven't even been on this forum for a month, okay? But I wasn't refering specifically to this forum, I was refering to the internet in general (lol). I don't get upset at all by what anyone says on this forum. I rather enjoy reading all the posts and comments, actually (lol). And sure nobody's heard of me (yeah right lol), but actually if you read what I said, I was refering to the guys I trained with, not refering to myself (lol). I didn't mention their names because it just makes it that much funnier. It's like watching people rag on Chuck Norris, it's just hilarious to be honest. I actually don't go looking for arguments, and there is not one shred of evidence to support that claim, so I don't know where you got that idea from. I'm assuming you just made that up in your mind (lol). I don't initiate arguments. I might entertain them, or respond to them as I see fit, but I don't start them to begin with. I'm entertaining this argument with you right now, but I wasn't trying to start an argument. I'm just responding to your argument, that's all (lol). And I never admitted to making a thread specifically to cause an argument. That's a blatant lie, taken completely out of context (lol). I did start one thread on this forum though just to prove a point, that people on the internet are bashfully argumentative (lol). But that's okay. If you think it upsets me, you're wrong. If anyone sounds upset right now, it's you (lol). You made some typos as a result.

It's cool man. Just relax.

Allow me to quote you to refresh your memory

You're right, I do tend to entertain people who just want to argue for argument's sake. I must admit, sometimes I do it on purpose. Like this thread for example. I intentionally created this thread in a moment of humour, knowing that a select group (not everyone, but a few) would not be able to resist an onslaught on the OP (myself). .

Quite honestly I was willing to give you benefit of the doubt but now to be honest I agree with dale you're full of it. Everything you say tries to hard to make you sound like a humbleness master. It reeks of fakeness to me same way it did with Jon jones. So yeah there's your shred of evidence (lol)

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

It's not a "rubbish downward elbow" if, in fact, a "rubbish double legs" shows up. That's the point. It's not a useful tool against a trained grappler, but it actually can be used against something that isn't a good double-leg. It's not waiting around for a bad double-leg to show up, it's using what works in the situation.

This is so true, it's not even funny. You know, a few martial artists on MTalk were extremely critical about one particular picture I showed of me holding my elbow in a way that seemed strangely ackward to them. I got some pretty ruthless comments about it (lol). It's all good though. What most of them didn't get to see was the motion behind the elbow or the reason for it. What the picture didn't capture was the motion. To the untrained eye, it probably looked like a pose. But actually, that picture was captured during a light-contact NHB sparring match. So the viewers never got to see what happened just before and just after that picture was taken. If they had been able to witness that sparring match, then they probably would've had a different opinion, considering I struck my partner 6 times during that session, and he never even hit me once. The moral to the story is this right here. "Efficiency is anything that scores."

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

Allow me to quote you to refresh your memory


Quite honestly I was willing to give you benefit of the doubt but now to be honest I agree with dale you're full of it. Everything you say tries to hard to make you sound like a humbleness master. It reeks of fakeness to me same way it did with Jon jones. So yeah there's your shred of evidence (lol)

Thank you for quoting me. What you quoted actually contradicts your previous argument. It doesn't support your argument at all (lol). And it's your argument, not mine. You're the aggressor. I'm just playing defense. But okay, whatever you say man. Are you done? Cuz I am.

 

[Tez3]

As a practitioner of traditional martial arts I can honestly say that most MMA and sport-based folks train harder than me, condition better than me and use higher percentage moves than me. If I was to step into the cage or octagon or competition mat with them and try to beat them in a fair fight, I would likely be tied into a pretzel or maybe even knocked out

You though would no more get into a competition without being prepared than most of us would. If you decided one day 'ah I want a competitive fight' you'd go along and find the right coach and train. That you don't is probably a matter of choice as well as being content with your choices and not bothering about others. It's the latter that's the problem for some on here. You know what you want to do, appreciate the competitive side as well as the SD one and leave others to do their thing as you do yours. Too many are dissatisfied with what others train and constantly look to undermine them on the pretext of 'helping them improve' etc.

People point to someone other than themselves and as if someone else achievements in the ring or on the battlefield are vicariously transferred to them by virtue of claiming to study and train in the same method

Very much this.

 

[Headhunter]

Thank you for quoting me. What you quoted actually contradicts your previous argument. It doesn't support your argument at all (lol). But okay, whatever you say man. Are you done?

Yep because you're going on my ignore list

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

Yep because you're going on my ignore list

Thank heavens. Do me a favor. Tell your buddies DaleDugas and Oaktree to put me on ignore too. I'm tired of all the arguments and aggression. (Lol)

 

[Tez3]

This is so true, it's not even funny. You know, a few martial artists on MTalk were extremely critical about one particular picture I showed of me holding my elbow in a way that seemed strangely ackward to them. I got some pretty ruthless comments about it (lol). It's all good though. What most of them didn't get to see was the motion behind the elbow or the reason for it. What the picture didn't capture was the motion. To the untrained eye, it probably looked like a pose. But actually, that picture was captured during a light-contact NHB sparring match. So the viewers never got to see what happened just before and just after that picture was taken. If they had been able to witness that sparring match, then they probably would've had a different opinion, considering I struck my partner 6 times during that session, and he never even hit me once. The moral to the story is this right here. "Efficiency is anything that scores."

So really there was little point in posting a still picture was there? You do seem fond of exaggerating though, either that or you lead a sheltered life. The comments weren't 'extremely' critical or 'ruthless', they were just comments. You seem to have built up in your head a bunch of us slavering at the mouth like rabid bunnies over dandelions on the lawn to criticise your posts. Lets face it you love the attention and start whinging at us every time you haven't been mentioned so you put up a 'look at me being picked on post' every so often just to keep you up there. Hey, I like attention as well but I'm honest about it, I don't need to alienate everyone here to have fun, just those who are patent numpties. Are you one? I'll let you think about it.

 

[Headhunter]

So really there was little point in posting a still picture was there? You do seem fond of exaggerating though, either that or you lead a sheltered life. The comments weren't 'extremely' critical or 'ruthless', they were just comments. You seem to have built up in your head a bunch of us slavering at the mouth like rabid bunnies over dandelions on the lawn to criticise your posts. Lets face it you love the attention and start whinging at us every time you haven't been mentioned so you put up a 'look at me being picked on post' every so often just to keep you up there. Hey, I like attention as well but I'm honest about it, I don't need to alienate everyone here to have fun, just those who are patent numpties. Are you one? I'll let you think about it.

Pretty much my problem with the guy. He acts like everyone here wants to fight each other and he's the doe eyed innocent who gets bullied when quite honestly he's caused a lot of problems here himself. His first post here was telling us about a brand new style he invented of course he's going to get crisisism. No one here agrees on anything and that's fine I'm sure loads of people here disagree with me and that's perfectly fine I'm not going to cry about it. That's life

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

So really there was little point in posting a still picture was there? You do seem fond of exaggerating though, either that or you lead a sheltered life. The comments weren't 'extremely' critical or 'ruthless', they were just comments. You seem to have built up in your head a bunch of us slavering at the mouth like rabid bunnies over dandelions on the lawn to criticise your posts. Lets face it you love the attention and start whinging at us every time you haven't been mentioned so you put up a 'look at me being picked on post' every so often just to keep you up there. Hey, I like attention as well but I'm honest about it, I don't need to alienate everyone here to have fun, just those who are patent numpties. Are you one? I'll let you think about it.

I have done nothing at all, except respond (lol). I didn't go out of my way to post any pictures. I was asked to post pictures. I was criticized for NOT posting pictures. Now I'm being criticized for posting them (lol). Again, this proves my point. And again, I rest my case. Some people just want to argue for no reason. They shouldn't get so upset then when someone decides to debate with them. Especially when some people are just being aggressors. How can an aggressor get angry with someone who plays defense? Stop attacking, and I'll stop defending. Simple. (lol)

My defense must be pretty solid too, considering that nobody has accomplished anything yet by lying or being rude. All it's done is reveal the aggressor's ignorance and unwillingness to admit when they are wrong, which is precisely why I do it. (lol)

 

[Tez3]

I have done nothing at all, except respond (lol). I didn't go out of my way to post any pictures. I was asked to post pictures. I was criticized for NOT posting pictures. Now I'm being criticized for posting them (lol). Again, this proves my point. And again, I rest my case. Some people just want to argue for no reason. They shouldn't get so upset then when someone decides to debate with them. Especially when some people are just being aggressors. How can an aggressor get angry with someone who plays defense? Stop attacking, and I'll stop defending. Simple. (lol)

Oh my, you are amusing dear boy. What you do is get your defence in before anyone has been 'aggressive'...your word not mine, no one has been aggressive here, I've seen it when they are and trust me no one has been aggressive to you, unless of course you come from a sheltered background and think anyone who disagrees with you is 'aggressive'?
I don't see anyone criticising you for posting pictures, what I see is you complaining that people didn't see what you wanted them to see on a photo. Think about this logically, last night there was a much hyped boxing match on, if I post up a photo from that fight could you say from looking at it who won, which round it was, what won the fight for the winner? ( I'm not mentioning names or who won because not everyone may know yet) Of course you can't but if I post up a video you can see the information for yourself. See, a beginner's guide on how not to alienate people here.
In the meantime here's a song my Rainbows and Brownies sing, enjoy.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I'm sure loads of people here disagree with me

No they don't.

 

[Mou Meng Gung Fu]

Oh my Lord, please stop lying (lol). Like seriously, the posts are available to the public. Everyone can see for themselves. I wasn't complaining about anything. In fact, I was merely responding (and actually agreeing) with something GPSEYMOUR said. Why you decided to even butt into it is beyond me. But go ahead, keep twisting my words out of context. It's not like no one can research it for themselves (lol).