Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Okay, so what if someone wants to use Goju for MMA, why can't they use it? What rules prevent Goju from being fully effective in NHB competition?
You seem to be taking this as a given. I'm not convinced that it is.
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Okay, so what if someone wants to use Goju for MMA, why can't they use it? What rules prevent Goju from being fully effective in NHB competition?
Capoeirista's certainly have not been ineffective in mma:
capoeira got ITS butt kicked? How exactly does that work? I'm guessing that maybe some guy, who is a capoeirista, didn't do well in the competition. But that doesn't mean the WHOLE SYSTEM got its butt kicked. and again, so what? seriously. You seem to have this notion that MMA competition is THE yardstick against which all martial arts must be measured. You are wrong about that. It isn't.
Capoeira in Rio hero's.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_VsfoEy8vU
That is a beautiful head butt knockout! To bad head butt are illegal in the mma unified rules. I have always enjoyed watching them utilized effectively!
You seem to be taking this as a given. I'm not convinced that it is.
Not all TMA have form. My Shuai-Chiao (Chinese wrestling) system is a TMA but it has no form. The Yi Chuan system also has no form. The Judo system also has no form.
I was a striker before I was a grappler. After I have trained as a grappler, my opinion about form has changed big time. My current interest is the integration of kick, punch, lock, throw, and ground game. I don't have time to worry about form any more. I'm a TMA guy outside, but I'm a MMA guy inside (I'm 100% in favor of "cross training").
Yep. My point though is that we don't really train to spar. There are some WC guys out there who can hold their own in a sparring context, but only because they've trained with that purpose in mind.
In the same way I might have some trouble in a sparring context, I think you would find a chisau context equally challenging and unfamiliar.
On the other hand, I'm confident, despite not having much sparring practice, my training would serve me if I ever needed it in a confrontation. Or, heck, if I put it to its traditional use and entered a 1950's challenge match.
Okay, but to use your example, there IS grappling in many Karate and Kung Fu styles. Why would a Choy Li Fut or Prayin Mantis practitioner for example need to go learn Bjj or Wrestling when their art has grappling and joint locks within the system already?
Okay, but then comes the other question; Why are we not seeing anyone enter the UFC or Bellator, and break out in Kung Fu or Karate hand techniques, footwork, or stances?
Well to be fair, Bjj has all of those qualities you mentioned above, yet is still a major style in MMA competition. So even that explanation doesn't really work.
The long fist system (from Master Li, Mao-Ching) is my major striking art. That's where all my foundation was developed from.I was wondering which striking style did u do before shuai jiao and do you still practice it?
Here is my argument. After you have learned your forms, you don't need to keep training your forms to develop Fajin. You can tear that form apart, dig out your drills, and train those drills in any order that you may like to.well some forms can help you develope fajin which is useful.
^^ all current ufc fighter learn mma, but for those who learn other than muay thai- bjj - wrestling, has comes with uniques moves that has not been used before they used it.
From one mma podcast, duke said that mma is a copy-paste sport, once they learn it works, everyone train it.
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