No problem. Some of that I believe is necessary in the beginning, so we can start a relationship, but then after we can settle down and talk about things. For me it builds mutual respect. Some people take it the wrong way and become bitter and resentful. Oh well, to each his own. it's like class. Sometimes you get hazed, and it's nothing personal, it's just part of the experience of learning. people tried to haze me when i first started posting here, but that has sort of died down.
I agree.
That doesn't mean that your are not within the spectrum. You might not think you are, but what you describe sounds to me like you are. Perhaps some of your methods are outdated, and maybe no one from your school is Olympic ready, but then again, there are a ton of schools out there that are in a similar boat as you. So don't worry about it. We all have to start somewhere.
But by that definition wouldnt ITF tkd also be within the kukki spectrum, because from what Ive seen we are about as similar to ITF as we are WTF.
But do those that opened their own clubs have high enough Kukkiwon rank (4th Dan or higher) to issue on their own?
No, they dont have kukkiwon rank, the ones who have left have been minimum 5th dan under our system and start their own club wearing their 5th dan. As far as they or I are concerned they have been graded to that level by a korean master. Whether or not he is kukki certified doesnt bother them. New students starting at their clubs are aware they are not a kukki school so dont require their instructor to have kukki credentials. If the new students want to be trained by a kukki certified instructor there are plenty of clubs around the place that can offer this. when i started at our club I was told by my instructor that they werent a kukki school, if this had bothered me I could have gone elsewhere.
Maybe he feels that way now, when he is on the verge of retirement, but perhaps he thought differently in the past. All it takes is one student to sour the well for everyone else.
I cant comment on this as I was not at the club when he was a young man.
That's one of the six points given to students to justify not issuing Kukkiwon certification.
You can say he is trying to 'justify' his decision, but from what Ive seen of the way we train I can see first hand that he has a very different aproach to WTF schools, so I can see why he is separate.
My wife and I have a standing joke about chinese restaurants here and on the mainland US. It used to be that rice, a staple like tea at Chinese restaurants, used to be free and came with the meal, in a big dish. Now if you want rice, the waitress will tell you "If you want rice, you pay extra!" and they give you one small bowl. I don't know why I just thought about that, but that is what it sounds like to me, what was once or what was supposed to be a part of the Taekwondo experience (Kukkiwon certification for everyone) is now something that you have to pay extra for. Why? Why not give the Kukkiwon certification to everyone, and if you want the certificate with the grandmaster's signature on it, then pay extra for that, since that is the special certificate?