Questions regarding MA-80
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Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
The message in question:
Looks like any other "neutral" seperation statement I've seen. I've seen similar notices when people have left or been force to leave jobs under less than pleasant circumstances.
Encouragement is not the same as endorsement. I've told many people "Good Luck" when I really meant "Sod Off."
Anyway, what do you care? Working on a sokeship or know anyone who is?
Looks like any other "neutral" seperation statement I've seen. I've seen similar notices when people have left or been force to leave jobs under less than pleasant circumstances.
Encouragement is not the same as endorsement. I've told many people "Good Luck" when I really meant "Sod Off."
Anyway, what do you care? Working on a sokeship or know anyone who is?
Tgace
Grandmaster
Hmm..I dont really know what the question is. Unless its that "Soke" comment which is no ...and no.:idunno:
Unless you are implying that Dans promotion is equivalent to a "sokeship"? If this is a "soke" thing. I think an individual with a high rank in an art who takes that art in his own direction is miles different from someone who takes two 1st dans, puts together his own style in a mish mash and declares himself a 10th dan. Could be wrong but thats how I see it.
Unless you are implying that Dans promotion is equivalent to a "sokeship"? If this is a "soke" thing. I think an individual with a high rank in an art who takes that art in his own direction is miles different from someone who takes two 1st dans, puts together his own style in a mish mash and declares himself a 10th dan. Could be wrong but thats how I see it.
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
You're right, they are different. I don't think Mr. Anderson is dumb enough to buy a sokeship. I honestly think taking a small difference and claiming a foundership to be a little misleading, but Mr. Anderson's karate background, competition experience, various publications and seminar instructions as well as being a 6th under a well respected innovator such as GM Presas may allow for such things. It's a different story if one was say, only a 3rd in one art, and had no current rank in others but somehow became a founder and swapped rank with his buddies. I mean, that sort of thing is a bit less honorable.
If Mr. Anderson believes that his additions/changes to the core Modern Arnis system qualify it as deserving it's own distinction, that is his call. It would I think have been more of an issue if he had called it "Anderson Style Modern Arnis". Ultimately, regardless of the names it is called, or the ranks/titles in play, it is Mr. Anderson's ability that will be the determination of "worth". Not us arguing on a forum, thousands of miles apart. It is Mr. Andersons ability to pass his vision down, through his books, videos, seminars and most importantly, his students. Students being a reflection of the teacher, if their skills are sharp, their form good, and their honor intact, it will grow.
Anyone can write a book, or make a video. Any idiot can teach a seminar. Trust me, I know. But in the martial arts, it is that ability to pass on your knowledge that will tell the tale in the end. GM Presas had an organization, and helped create and develop many excellent martial artists such as his Datus, Senior Masters and MOTTS. What they do with what he gave them, and what they pass on I think will tell if they were worthy of those titles and honors. A guy with 5 students, no blackbelts, working out of his garage is alot different than someone who has a sucessful seminar career, or video library, etc.
There seem to be people in the Modern Arnis world that for what ever reason have problems with these people. The Hartmans, Wordens, etc. They seem to do stuff, and inspire alot of good people to learn good things. Pity you all can't work together more, but instead have to spend so much time tearing each other apart. I doubt any of you have "learned it all", and if you think you have, more is the pity.
But, what do I know? Other than all the "knotted panties" that are constantly on display here are a poor reflection on your art, yourselves, and most importantly your founder. It tends I think to drive more people away from studying Modern Arnis than atracts. But, who cares right? As long as one gets the final word, and had kicked his "enemy"'s ***, who cares if in the process they themselves look the fool, right?
No concern of mine really, just an outsiders view on how stupid all this bickering looks. I'm done. I have ninjas to annoy, soke's to make cry, and losers to fry! :wavey:
If Mr. Anderson believes that his additions/changes to the core Modern Arnis system qualify it as deserving it's own distinction, that is his call. It would I think have been more of an issue if he had called it "Anderson Style Modern Arnis". Ultimately, regardless of the names it is called, or the ranks/titles in play, it is Mr. Anderson's ability that will be the determination of "worth". Not us arguing on a forum, thousands of miles apart. It is Mr. Andersons ability to pass his vision down, through his books, videos, seminars and most importantly, his students. Students being a reflection of the teacher, if their skills are sharp, their form good, and their honor intact, it will grow.
Anyone can write a book, or make a video. Any idiot can teach a seminar. Trust me, I know. But in the martial arts, it is that ability to pass on your knowledge that will tell the tale in the end. GM Presas had an organization, and helped create and develop many excellent martial artists such as his Datus, Senior Masters and MOTTS. What they do with what he gave them, and what they pass on I think will tell if they were worthy of those titles and honors. A guy with 5 students, no blackbelts, working out of his garage is alot different than someone who has a sucessful seminar career, or video library, etc.
There seem to be people in the Modern Arnis world that for what ever reason have problems with these people. The Hartmans, Wordens, etc. They seem to do stuff, and inspire alot of good people to learn good things. Pity you all can't work together more, but instead have to spend so much time tearing each other apart. I doubt any of you have "learned it all", and if you think you have, more is the pity.
But, what do I know? Other than all the "knotted panties" that are constantly on display here are a poor reflection on your art, yourselves, and most importantly your founder. It tends I think to drive more people away from studying Modern Arnis than atracts. But, who cares right? As long as one gets the final word, and had kicked his "enemy"'s ***, who cares if in the process they themselves look the fool, right?
No concern of mine really, just an outsiders view on how stupid all this bickering looks. I'm done. I have ninjas to annoy, soke's to make cry, and losers to fry! :wavey:
DoxN4cer
Purple Belt
Bester really hit the nail on the head.
FWIW, Dan Anderson is a class act. He makes every imaginable attempt to be friendly with everyone. No matter who screws him, he won't say a bad word about them. Moreover; he is man enough to settle his differences with people person to person, and if it cannot be resolved he's happy to quietly let it be. Furthermore; Dan's presentaion of Modern Arnis/MA80 is clean and damn near unadulterated RP Modern Arnis. He does not scrub material from videos and seminars of other prominent FMA instructors and inrtuduce them as "innovations" the Professor's art or independently discovered "new concepts". He's honest about what he does. I doubt that many of his critcs can say the same.
All this fuss two years after the Dan Anderson/WMAA split would certainly lead a reasonable person to believe that it is all orchestrated to draw support away from Dan's training camp. It's all territory that has been visited before. Do we really want to go there again? Hmm?
It's Dan's gig. Leave him to it.
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Tim Kashino
FWIW, Dan Anderson is a class act. He makes every imaginable attempt to be friendly with everyone. No matter who screws him, he won't say a bad word about them. Moreover; he is man enough to settle his differences with people person to person, and if it cannot be resolved he's happy to quietly let it be. Furthermore; Dan's presentaion of Modern Arnis/MA80 is clean and damn near unadulterated RP Modern Arnis. He does not scrub material from videos and seminars of other prominent FMA instructors and inrtuduce them as "innovations" the Professor's art or independently discovered "new concepts". He's honest about what he does. I doubt that many of his critcs can say the same.
All this fuss two years after the Dan Anderson/WMAA split would certainly lead a reasonable person to believe that it is all orchestrated to draw support away from Dan's training camp. It's all territory that has been visited before. Do we really want to go there again? Hmm?
It's Dan's gig. Leave him to it.
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Tim Kashino
DoxN4cer
Purple Belt
Dan Anderson said:
I snipped you post for brevity, Dan. No dis...
The Professor said a lot of things behind a lot of closed doors. I think that often it may have been just what his audience at the time wanted to hear. Yes, I know it's not a nice thing to say. However, you can't deny it. I too have been present when the Professor told me (and people around me) "how he really felt" about certain people. These statements, however, were not for the public and would simply cause more friction.
One things for sure; everyone thought that they got what the wanted, and everyone felt like the #1 student in his presence.
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Tim Kashino
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
That sounds like you're speaking about someone specific. Well damn it man, name names. Don't drop hints and tease us like that. Call a spade a spade already!DoxN4cer said:
I've seen alot of the past pissing, moaning and game playing. Bunches of nobodies, think they should be somebodies, can't let their deeds speak for them, so they play games on the internet. It's all best left in the past. We shouldn't light the shadows nor should we dishonor the dead.
Yup. It'll prove it's worth or not over the next few years. I even heard there was a rumor they were going to get Brad Pitt to play Mr. Anderson in a movie version of one of his books. (just kidding, sorry ladies.)
DoxN4cer
Purple Belt
Bester said:
Do not tempt me so...
Now Bester, you know better than that. If I named names, then I would get flamed and suspended... maybe even banned. That's how things work when someone brings reality into this little cyber-reich that we've all come to enjoy so much. Besides; the people I'm alluding to know who they are, and they know that I'm talking to them. That's enough for me.
Do a little research, and you'll figure it out. If you've ever trained with them it would be very evident to you as well. I'm not being coy, just staying within the parameters of MT rules.
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Tim Kashino
DoxN4cer said:
I would have to agree with this. Sometimes in private he would say things differently than in public.
DoxN4cer said:
Honestly, Yes I miss everyone.
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
But, isn't taking veiled shots at someone considered a violation of this sites "Sniping Policy"? Especially if the "shot at" parties "know" it's aimed at them?
Personally, I think if you can't come right out and say it, and say it clearly, then it shouldn't be said.
Too many games played behind closed doors by closeminded, bitter, sad old men.
Or, are you saying that this boards "Powers that Be" will censor you if you dare speak the "Evil Ones" name?
My own take on all this is that Modern Arnis is a simple system, with no real history or information to share. After all, the Kenpoists have dozens of threads on technique, form, history and such. Same is true of the Koreans, argumentive and sometimes anal bunch that they are. Let's not forget the ninjas, busy flipping out whenever a PowerRanger walks into the room. But not Arnis. No. Arnis is all about spending a few years arguing over who is king, rather than showing it. It's like reading the latest WWF pay per view. "In this corner weighing 270 pounds, I'm sorry, 217! pounds, The Pretty Boy, Datu DeeToo Tim Hartman. And in the other corner, weighing in at 265 pounds, the Oregon Destroyer, Dan The Karate Man Anderson!! Former Tag Team partners now turned bitter rivals. In The Pretty Boys Corner for this bout is the Washington Assassin himself, Datu Kelly "The Hammer" Worden. Can the two Datus get along? The rively has been bitter, but they have joined forces to defeat the Evil Mr. Anderson. Neo, where are you! In Mr. Andersons corner, a small datsun named Colin.
Join us later as we feature our IMAF grudge match, Schea vs. Delany in an empty arena."
Please, I looked at the back history, the games, the arguments. Ya'll look like a group of school yard children fighting over a bike. Let Mr. Anderson do his own thing. He'll make it, or he'll flop. It's in his hands. Everyone else, well, I guess you can actually show your art does something besides generate sad bitter jokes, or, you can go back to picking the flesh off Mr. Presas' body. Up to you all really. Arnis isn't my gig.
Personally, I think if you can't come right out and say it, and say it clearly, then it shouldn't be said.
Too many games played behind closed doors by closeminded, bitter, sad old men.
Or, are you saying that this boards "Powers that Be" will censor you if you dare speak the "Evil Ones" name?
My own take on all this is that Modern Arnis is a simple system, with no real history or information to share. After all, the Kenpoists have dozens of threads on technique, form, history and such. Same is true of the Koreans, argumentive and sometimes anal bunch that they are. Let's not forget the ninjas, busy flipping out whenever a PowerRanger walks into the room. But not Arnis. No. Arnis is all about spending a few years arguing over who is king, rather than showing it. It's like reading the latest WWF pay per view. "In this corner weighing 270 pounds, I'm sorry, 217! pounds, The Pretty Boy, Datu DeeToo Tim Hartman. And in the other corner, weighing in at 265 pounds, the Oregon Destroyer, Dan The Karate Man Anderson!! Former Tag Team partners now turned bitter rivals. In The Pretty Boys Corner for this bout is the Washington Assassin himself, Datu Kelly "The Hammer" Worden. Can the two Datus get along? The rively has been bitter, but they have joined forces to defeat the Evil Mr. Anderson. Neo, where are you! In Mr. Andersons corner, a small datsun named Colin.
Join us later as we feature our IMAF grudge match, Schea vs. Delany in an empty arena."
Please, I looked at the back history, the games, the arguments. Ya'll look like a group of school yard children fighting over a bike. Let Mr. Anderson do his own thing. He'll make it, or he'll flop. It's in his hands. Everyone else, well, I guess you can actually show your art does something besides generate sad bitter jokes, or, you can go back to picking the flesh off Mr. Presas' body. Up to you all really. Arnis isn't my gig.
