If a TKD school does any kind of sparring, by definition, that school is using the sport approach.
I totally agree. That would be my expectation. And to be clear, I'm talking about two large groups of roughly equivalent TKD practitioners with no advance warning, roughly the same age, size, experience level, fitness level etc. In fact, for control, let's add in a group of untrained people. Then in some way (random or round robin), just see how they do. In my mind, I would think we'd need at least 50 in each group.
Many years ago, a school brought 15 students to a Chinese wrestling tournament. Each and every student of that school all lose in the 1st round. That school only trained forms and they don't wrestle on the mat.
yeah, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not inclined to take your word for it. I think it would be very informative.
You're stating the obvious. The question isn't what they train. The question is which training model is building proficiency that is more adaptible to a different context. Why are you getting defensive about this?
With exceptions there's. I can teach someone how to hit another person in the head with a brick and the results will be similar across the board regardless if I have done it myself. This would be like saying Technique A produces Result A. You don't have to actually shoot someone to know the outcome. I think there's a lot of that when it comes to self-defense, but not as much when it comes to fighting. Because at that point the technique isn't as big of the issue as correctly deploying that technique. Get the deployment wrong then you risk having no delivery.
Perfect example of my previous post. Without ever having done this, (hopefully) It's safe to say that this results would be accurate. At minimal it's going hurt, maximum someone is going to have a broken neck. There would be no need to pressure test this. The only thing that would need to be pressure tested is the technique used to get someone into this position. Thanks to wrestling there's videos of accidents where people have broken their necks from landing like this. Even if video didn't exist, there would be stories of how someone got dropped on their head and broke their neck.The reason that "sport" format is needed because some combat skill that you just can't train on your partner.
In combat, you will crack open your opponent's skull.
In sport, your round will end like this.
Well, since you quoted my post about specifically fight training without fitness lacking something compared to fight training with fitness, it's difficullt to see how that remark would NOT be a response to the quoted item.
Show me where in this thread I've talked about my qualification to teach with a self-defense orientation.
Again, not sure where you're getting that I'm making assertions about myself. You seem to be reading that into discussions of analogies.
Yep, that's why I haven't really been tallking about myself so much. But you've managed to read them as being about me, anyway. Then you try to stick in your little jabs, in an attempt to actually make it about me, rather than the academic discussion.
Nope. I'm saying you're trolling, which as a moderator is a bad look.
Hey, just to be clear, I have no idea how you guys spar or not. It's completely irrelevant to me. If it makes you feel better, I'm sure you guys spar very well.
Now you're making it about me. It's very simple. Stick to the topic of the thread. But for what it's worth, as topics recur on the site, I like to go back and re-read past threads on the same topic. I enjoy reading the discussions, which often include many of my own posts. Unfortunately for you (or maybe for me), I'm very consistent. My posting style hasn't changed much, if at all. I dislike blowhards, whiners, and hypocrites, and always have. I'm always on someone's **** list. It's okay, even if it's arbitrary.
