Bob Hubbard said:
Build a wall, not a fence.
Man it 24/7/365 like Hadrians Wall.
Allow for roaming patrols of well armed and trained troops.
Use scanning devices to look for tunnels under the wall, and other boarder areas.
Use the National Guard as well as Regular Military as the manpower.
Yes, it will cost some money, but if we are serious about our border security, a serious lockdown must be done, as if a lettuce picker and sweatshop worker can sneak across, so can a shoe bomber, or jihadic kamikaze.
At the border crossings, use all technology possible to scan and search each and every vehicle for smuggling, as well as safety issues, and turn back all that fail to meet regulations. Staff and equip those crossings properly.
Build 1 less bomber a year. The money to fund this will be there then.
How about land mines to kill people trying to cross the border?
I am not being silly or sarcastic. I am merely placing things in the proper context.
When you involve the military, you are upping the ante to a level where we start talking about 'collateral damage.' We need to determine if that level is warrented and be clear on the matter before we take action like this.
I was in the infantry. There are at least four other members of martialtalk that were as well. I think they will all agree with me when I say that I am proud to serve and really proud to be one of the ones that are the first into battle....
but there is a certain amount of truth to the saying that if you have half a mind to join the infantry- that's enough.:lol2:
The military has the job of killing people and breaking their stuff. They do that job very, very well. They do not have to pass the same tests as police officers do or can expect to be doing the same job for decades on end. We will be putting people on the border who know the job of killing very well and the specifics of law enforcement almost not at all.
Do we think the threat is large enough to warrent this? If so, let us debate it, agree on it and let it stand. What I do not want to see is some kid killed in a crossfire between coyotes and the military followed by a whole lot of liberals on television saying, "we never thought that the military would actually
kill someone when they defended the borders." :whip:
Maybe this story will kind of shed a new light on the situation. A few years ago there was a case of some people racing up the 405 through San Onofre in California chased by the CHP. Note, it was
not the border patrol, but the California police. There was a huge scandal over the fact that the rough treatment of the illeagals after they stopped was caught by a news helicopter.
I was on a mailing list with a guy who used to be on the border patrol and is now working for another part of the goverment. He pointed to the footage of the chase itself where the illeagles were doing their best to cause a dangerous situation on the freeways. They were taking heavy parts of the campershell that had been concealed under and throwing it into traffic to try to cause accidents. The ex border patrol guy said that there had been some controversy over the chances of people getting killed in chases and so the orders had come down that when things got dangerous for them to back off and let the coyotes get away. The coyotes learned of this and started upping the ante and arranging for danger to happen like this just as soon as a chase occured.
But in this case, the chasing officers were not border patrol that had been told to back off, they were CHP. And after seeing people do things that could easily have killed several motorists, they treated the suspects at the end as if they were a danger until proven otherwise. Hence the trouble, the lawsuits, etc.
Now, these guys were not border patrol, but they were police officers that were selected at a higher standard than the typical infantryman and expected to be in law enforcement for a few decades. So if they could do things that ended up in court, how do you expect the 18 year old high school dropout trained to kill people first and ask questions later to keep within the bounds of
domestic laws?
My old regiment used to guard the border back when the idea was that if you tried to enter the country illeagally
you died. If we let loose the military on the borders we need to acknowledge that the military is trained to kill and not scream when they do their job. Hence the idea of land mines. They can kill, are made to kill, and the same can be said about the 18 year old with a rifle in his hands.
Here is an idea to cause some screaming......
The problem with immigration is that Americans will not do the job that hard working Mexicans will, right? People like Phil have no problem with
legal immigrants, right? The people that do these jobs do so because you can't
legally hire people at the wages that the illeagles will work for, right?
Well, how about we have a guest worker program where people can come to America and work legally without things like minimum wage laws being applied to them?
Scream!!!!!!!!!
It should be fun to see those that say that every American should be paid a decent wage
and yet defend illeagles for doing jobs that Americans won't do for their wages try to defend that. Some say that everyone in the states should be subject to labor laws and oppose illeagle immigration. They would not have trouble staying constant. There are others that want to open up the borders and get rid of things like the minimum wage laws. They too should not have a trouble staying constant. But those that want to make sure that every American is covered by labor laws and yet say we should forgive illeagle immigration should have quite a time trying to explain how they can hold both beliefs.
Let the screaming begin!!!!!!!:asian:
