God

[yilisifu]

Mike......
If you don't care about God and don't care about what other people think of your refusal to adhere to any religious beliefs, then WHY did you enter this thread?

I don't recall anyone jumping anybody about their religious beliefs...so far, you're the only one who has done that.

This thread began by asking what religious faiths were followed by members of this board, and why. You've twisted it way out into left field.

 

[Shinobi]

Abbax: Right on. That's quite a respectable viewpoint. I admire your determination.

 

[Cruentus]

Not sure what your trying to prove here. Passing the buck? What the hell are you talking about? I take full responsability for everything I say and do, so I really don't know where that is coming from.

You call religious people arrogent? Um...how about read YOUR post, and tell me what that sounds like.

I'm glad that you "love the way religious people set the agenda," but the agenda of this thread has nothing to do with that. Master of Blades asked a question, which set the agenda. Other people who have been able to maintain the discussion here have also set the agenda; and those other people are of every different walk of life, not just Christian.

Oh...and the issue of "which God" only seems to be an issue for you. There are plenty of people who have posted with many different concepts of God. There were many athiests who posted also. We have all been able to respect each others beliefs, and there hasn't been any problems until you posted. Just some heated discussions that have all ended in friendship and better understanding, for the most part. I even clarified "God concept," but that wasn't enough for you either. You seem to be the one who is close-minded here, and there really isn't much I can do about that.

Also, my posts, as well as yours proves nothing about religious people. Nothing I have said alludes to a "World of control and doctrine," and my only disdain here was, and still is, the manner in which you post. All you've done so far is attack and slam people who are different then you. I have tried to give you the opportunity to clarify or perhaps retract your statements, or just plain add something of value to the discussion. Yet, you refuse, and you continue to act like a clown. How can anyone have a discussion with you under the circumstances? And, if you don't want to discuss anything, then why did you post in the first place?

Well it's obvious that you have issues. Oh well, your problem. But once again, if your not willing to have a constructive discussion on a thread that has been pretty cordial (for the most part) then stay off it. Until you have something constuctive to say, I don't think that I need to respond to your mindless attacks. So, you now have three choices: 1. Don't respond 2. Respond constructively, or 3. Be a Big fat baby and attack me and religious people some more in an immature attempt to get the last word. I guess the choice is yours.

And by the way, Mike, I would be happy to stick my head into your world and "dribble my clap trap" anytime, anyplace. And if you want to hit on it, bring it.

Or we could "shoot the breeze" like ordinary nice guys also, if you want. Bring the pain, or the beers, I always say!
:cheers:

And as for me keeping my blessings to myself, fat chance!

Mike.....

May the Lord Bless and Keep you.
May he let his face shine upon you.
May he give you his grace,
and May he give you his peace.

Your annoying martialtalk Doctrine dribbling power hungry Catholic,

Paul
(not to be confused with the New Testiment evangalist Paul, who is also not to be confused with the 12 apostles, of whom Paul was not.)

P.S. Shinobi... I totally agree with you this time. Nice post Abbex8!

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

I am surprised at Mike's posts in this thread. You strike me as a mature, well learnt, open minded and reasonable man, in your other posts.

But what I see here is a reflection of opinions that betray a lack of information on the subject at hand, to put it mildly.

Paul is not a bigot nor a fanatic. On the contrary, he is apparently one of the most gentlemanly, tolerant and informed Catholics. I have read some of your posts and the articles on your site. I don't believe you are as close minded as you have presented yourself here in this thread. There is no need to perceive each other at the extreme end of the spectrum here.

In reply to your post.
I can't believe any one can seriously think that Pope John Paul II and the Dalai Lama live a life of princely luxury. I can't believe a reasonable person would call any religious person a fanatical bigot. Would you call a pacifist Shinto priest a fanatical bigot? It does not bother me personally to be labelled as such. But such label hardly makes any sense at all on millions of decent men and women who are kind and compassionate. You should really do some research on John Paul and the Dalai lama. You would be surprised at the simple life they live. There are a lot of scumbags tele-evangelists and charlatans who are in it for the money. But you know what they say about generalizing.

"..Maybe you can tell me why one human being is any closer to god than another? Or why anyone would think their opinions have any more value than anyone elses when it comes to their relationship with their god?.."

I don't believe any human being can turly honestly claim that he/she is closer to god than another person. Only God can know that.

As to relationship with one's god, people do think theirs are correct. But not all people try to impose theirs onto you, nor would they necessary think that yours are wrong. On the contrary, I couldn't care less what your faith is or is not. What kind of person you are, is what really matters.

"....It's okay to be a child molester though, the church will look out for you then alright! ..."
No one denies that the way the problem is handled is disastrously incompetent. But you can't be serious as to suggest that the Church protects such criminal behavior. Just like anyone else, every Catholic wants those pedophile cirminals removed and imprisoned!

"... I'm just saddened that so many religious groups have so many [scumbags] as members..."
No more than any other organizations. I would say there is a normal distribution, statistically.

 

[Mike Clarke]

Humble Pie Time I Think!

Johnathan, I'm sorry if my comments offended you, I had no rite to jump in on your conversation and unload like that.

Paul, Never been called a big fat cry baby before, you really know how to hurt a guy . Again, if my comments caused offence, I'm sorry. But please, enough with your prayers already, I had enough of them growing up in the catholic church, and find them offensive at this point in time.

Yilisifu, Good question, why did I post? No idea really, something I read triped a switch and I reverted back to my old ways before I stumbled onto MA's. I can tell you something though, I'm wishing I hadn't.

So, to all, if anything I've said has caused any real upset, I'm sorry for it. Having a strong personality [I've always believed] means being able to admit when you get things wrong.
The manner of my contribution to this post was a mistake and for that I'm sorry.

Mike.

 

[Zoran]

And people wonder why so many wars started because of religion.:shrug:

It does tend to strike a nerve...for some...doesn't it. I guess we haven't come as far as we would like to fool ourselves into believing. Especially when it comes to tolerance of others beliefs.

Anyway, it's just an general observation and is not meant to be directed to any one person or as an insult.

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by Mike Clarke

Johnathan, I'm sorry if my comments offended you, I had no rite to jump in on your conversation and unload like that.

Didn't actually bother me. Just that your views are wrong. But, you are entitled to them.

 

[Cruentus]

Again, if my comments caused offence I'm sorry

No problem. I got a little heated myself, and I apoligize for that.

And don't worry, no more blessings....(I was kinda being a butthead about that anyways )

:cheers:

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by Zoran
And people wonder why so many wars started because of religion.:shrug:

It does tend to strike a nerve...for some...doesn't it. I guess we haven't come as far as we would like to fool ourselves into believing. Especially when it comes to tolerance of others beliefs.

Anyway, it's just an general observation and is not meant to be directed to any one person or as an insult.

All I have to do is to call you AN IGNORANT FOOL.


Did that "strike a nerve"? lol

 

[Cruentus]

Just that your views are wrong.

I apoligize in advance here, because I going to be a bit nit-picky. You might want to say something like "It's just that I felt that your views were wrong" or "It's just that I disagree with some of your views" instead of telling just someone that their views are wrong.

Like I said, I don't want to be nitpicky, and if you had said that to me I wouldn't care, but some people read into stuff like that a little too much. Even though I know you are not trying to be holier-then-thou, others might think that you're being condensending or close minded, which adds to the stereotype of religious people.

I mean no disrespect. Just my thoughts....

:asian:

 

[Cruentus]

All I have to do is to call you AN IGNORANT FOOL.


Did that "strike a nerve"? lol

Zoran, are you going to take that? Go blow up his house!:redeme:


Yea, I don't know why wars happend in the name of religion either.:rofl:

O.K. Enough screwing around....I got a business meeting in exactly 2 minutes.

Have a good morning everyone!

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by PAUL
I apoligize in advance here, because I going to be a bit nit-picky. You might want to say something like "It's just that I felt that your views were wrong" or "It's just that I disagree with some of your views" instead of telling just someone that their views are wrong.

Like I said, I don't want to be nitpicky, and if you had said that to me I wouldn't care, but some people read into stuff like that a little too much. Even though I know you are not trying to be holier-then-thou, others might think that you're being condensending or close minded, which adds to the stereotype of religious people.

I mean no disrespect. Just my thoughts....

:asian:

Who the hell do you think you are?

LMAO. j/k there

Points well taken.

I have already answered Mike's points in a previous post already. Mike is wrong about the Pope and the Dalai Lama being greedy bastards . He is also wrong about the church protecting child molesters. But, his personal views on his belief are not wrong, and are not for anyone else to judge neither.

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by PAUL
Zoran, are you going to take that? Go blow up his house!

Yea, I don't know why wars happend in the name of religion either.:rofl:

O.K. Enough screwing around....I got a business meeting in exactly 2 minutes.

Have a good morning everyone!

I was trying to demo that "striking a nerve" is the result of perceived personal insult, rather than insult on religion.

 

[tshadowchaser]

The mods and administrators have been extreamly tolerant in this thread so far. Lets back off from calling each other names and slamming one another.

Please everyone take a deep breath sit back a moment and lets all agree to let the other guy/girl have there own thoughts on this subject.

Religion is always a verry touchy subject. If a person believes they usually belive with all their heart , and the if not they belive that fully also. IF its one god, a triad of gods , or a hundred the point is that the person respects and worships something that they consider to be of a higher more powerful level of exsistance. On the other hand if they do not belive in such a being they just dont. No amount of discussion will covert someone who truly believes one way or another.

War have been fought over religion and in the name of a higher being sense the concept of the higher being came into exsistance. Thats how much people belive in their beliefs.

Lets take that deep breath and agree not to slam each other or say he/she started it first. This has been an interesting thread lets keep it FRIENDLY

tshadowchaser
:asian:

 

[Zoran]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
All I have to do is to call you AN IGNORANT FOOL.


Did that "strike a nerve"? lol

You should be getting a package...special delivery...soon.:moon:



P.S.
The above is meant as humor, I try to leave my nerve striking for MA class.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Folks, I think I've found the ultimate list of religions and phylosophies. Now, please bare with me, (Err, beer, no, um, bear? On damn....) anyways,

I think this says it all....

· Taoism: **** happens.
· Confucianism: Confucius say, "**** happens."
· Buddhism: If **** happens, it isn't really ****.
· Zen Buddhism: **** is, and is not.
· Zen Buddhism #2: What is the sound of **** happening?
· Hinduism: This **** has happened before.
· Islam: If **** happens, it is the will of Allah.
· Islam #2: If **** happens, kill the person responsible.
· Islam #3: If **** happens, blame Israel.
· Catholicism: If **** happens, you deserve it.
· Protestantism: Let **** happen to someone else.
· Presbyterian: This **** was bound to happen.
· Episcopalian: It's not so bad if **** happens, as long as you serve the right wine with it.
· Methodist: It's not so bad if **** happens, as long as you serve grape juice with it.
· Congregationalist: **** that happens to one person is just as good as **** that happens to another.
· Unitarian: **** that happens to one person is just as bad as **** that happens to another.
· Lutheran: If **** happens, don't talk about it.
· Fundamentalism: If **** happens, you will go to hell, unless you are born again. (Amen!)
· Fundamentalism #2: If **** happens to a televangelist, it's okay.
· Fundamentalism #3: **** must be born again.
· Judaism: Why does this **** always happen to us?
· Calvinism: **** happens because you don't work.
· Seventh Day Adventism: No **** shall happen on Saturday.
· Creationism: God made all ****.
· Secular Humanism: **** evolves.
· Christian Science: When **** happens, don't call a doctor - pray!
· Christian Science #2: **** happening is all in your mind.
· Unitarianism: Come let us reason together about this ****.
· Quakers: Let us not fight over this ****.
· Utopianism: This **** does not stink.
· Darwinism: This **** was once food.
· Capitalism: That's MY ****.
· Communism: It's everybody's ****.
· Feminism: Men are ****.
· Chauvinism: We may be ****, but you can't live without us...
· Commercialism: Let's package this ****.
· Impressionism: From a distance, **** looks like a garden.
· Idolism: Let's bronze this ****.
· Existentialism: **** doesn't happen; **** IS.
· Existentialism #2: What is ****, anyway?
· Stoicism: This **** is good for me.
· Hedonism: There is nothing like a good **** happening!
· Mormonism: God sent us this ****.
· Mormonism #2: This **** is going to happen again.
· Wiccan: An it harm none, let **** happen.
· Scientology: If **** happens, see "Dianetics", p.157.
· Jehovah's Witnesses: >Knock< >Knock< **** happens.
· Jehovah's Witnesses #2: May we have a moment of your time to show you some of our ****?
· Jehovah's Witnesses #3: **** has been prophesied and is imminent; only the righteous shall survive its happening.
· Moonies: Only really happy **** happens.
· Hare Krishna: **** happens, rama rama.
· Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this ****!
· Zoroastrianism: **** happens half on the time.
· Church of SubGenius: BoB Shits.
· Practical: Deal with **** one day at a time.
· Agnostic: **** might have happened; then again, maybe not.
· Agnostic #2: Did someone ****?
· Agnostic #3: What is this ****?
· Satanism: SNEPPAH TIHS.
· Atheism: What ****?
· Atheism #2: I can't believe this ****!
· Nihilism: No ****.

It ain't mine, but I hope it brings a small smile to ya, and relieves a little of the 'tension' thats been in here as of late.

Peace everyone.

 

[Nightingale]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Cthulhu]

Oddly enough, not one said: holy ****



Cthulhu

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

The author of that list is very learnt. .

What a talent! LMAO!

 

[Mike Clarke]

Johnathan,
I never called either the pope or the dalai lama "Greedy Bastards". These are your words not mine.
I don't believe I'm wrong at all about the antics of the church in hiding sex offenders.
You beleive I'm wrong, but that's not the same thing as me being wrong is it.
Granted I hold differing views to you, but how you can say for sure that you are right and I am wrong in my beliefs on such things as this is unclear to me.
My appology to you and others came as a result of the way I entered the post and tried to shove my views down yours and others throats.
Please don't fall back into that self ritious smuckness that seems to be the hall mark of so many reliegious folk.
If you have some hard evidence that god exists, lets see it.

With respect,
Mike.