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It's evident that you aren't going to or simply can't. So I'm putting an end to this farce of a "conversation", I hope you got some useful information. Good day.
Just asking for confirmation so we aren't talking past each other.
The sections training the elbow for punching are not obvious and his elbow doesn't come up.
Elbow not rising. Be aware that this video contains intentional errors, if you are seeking to learn from it
This is because, given past form, you will claim that you also do it that way. Far more instructive to find out what you would actually do first
If you are rotating or rising in order to make contact, then hand chasing, not LSDD
LSDD not reliant upon work arounds, works always
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Bull, there aren't any intentional errors, keep telling yourself that fairytale so you can continue to be obtuse. The elbow rises on every punch & palm strike just as I described. It is physically impossible for it not to. A punch is an extension of the arm, the elbow is a hinge joint that opens upward on a straight punch. Continue to deny it all you want it only makes you look even more ignorant.The more I engage with you buffoons, the more apparent it becomes how little you actually know. I am now placing you both on ignore. I've better things to do with my time than give scraps to entitled wannabe's.
That's how you punch, popping the elbow up. Problem is because you don't even know why VT uses a vertical fist.
I think that people copying WSL's public videos is a big part of the problem. He was careful to guard the method.
That video for example contains a couple of glaring errors. You will not see these in a 1 to 1 situation. That you don't recognise them explains a lot of your anger and frustration, and your inability when it comes to making the system work
The elbow doesn't rise in the relevant parts of that clip. I guess you are looking in the wrong place?
Biu-sau has the palm down. Why not punch with a horizontal fist then? What makes you use a vertical fist?
Do I need to quote the actual post I referenced?
No, trying to get others to explain their ideas in your terms doesn't get clarity. You asked about elbows. They responded, and you basically said, "That's not what I'm talking about." Then you ask them to show you an example of something in their system that IS what you're talking about...but you still haven't told them what you're talking about.
Show me something in WSLVT that incorporates "striking in the void."
And how, precisely, is punching someone (when it happens to intersect their punch) "hand chasing"? They aren't adjusting their punch to intersect the incoming attack - they stay on their own line. They simply practice a variety of punch that makes the intersection more likely.
Why do you think the elbow has to pop up?
Is biu-sau a punch in your Aikido system?
They have to pivot and either sink or raise their elbow to wedge out the incoming line above or below their arm. That's a lot of deliberate work in response to a punch. It may be a direct punch, but it has to change in response to the incoming line or it won't intersect it.
I think I've got it. The intentional error is that the elbow is kept in. They must punch with the elbow flared out to the side at 90 degrees. From there, it need not rise. That fits their answers and descriptions, and is the only thing I can imagine for the human body that does.
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