Can you learn from video?

[KPM]

I think Flying Crane and KPM agree on one key point "supplemental".

I know, there I go thinking again.

Absolutely Buka! I tried to point that out to "Flying Crane", but he wouldn't see it. Instead he feels the need to make a disparaging comment about my background (which he knows nothing about).

And I will ask again....did anyone other than Flying Crane think I was giving people bad advice in my OP that started this thread??

 

[wckf92]

Absolutely Buka! I tried to point that out to "Flying Crane", but he wouldn't see it. Instead he feels the need to make a disparaging comment about my background (which he knows nothing about).

And I will ask again....did anyone other than Flying Crane think I was giving people bad advice in my OP that started this thread??

Actually, I just remembered a situation where I learned from video. Wasn't kung fu related though. Many years ago I bought some kettlebells, and several of Pavel's instructional DVD's and taught myself.


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[Hyoho]

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[anerlich]

Absolutely Buka! I tried to point that out to "Flying Crane", but he wouldn't see it. Instead he feels the need to make a disparaging comment about my background (which he knows nothing about).

And I will ask again....did anyone other than Flying Crane think I was giving people bad advice in my OP that started this thread??

Not me.

If you can learn from video, good for you!

If you can't, my condolences. That would suck.

Does any of this matter? Not really.

 

[anerlich]

Actually, I just remembered a situation where I learned from video. Wasn't kung fu related though. Many years ago I bought some kettlebells, and several of Pavel's instructional DVD's and taught myself.

I did the same with Steve Maxwell. If you know anything about Steve, you'll know he's not into money or narcissism.

 

[Flying Crane]

Absolutely Buka! I tried to point that out to "Flying Crane", but he wouldn't see it. Instead he feels the need to make a disparaging comment about my background (which he knows nothing about).

And I will ask again....did anyone other than Flying Crane think I was giving people bad advice in my OP that started this thread??

I've acknowledged the value of video as a supplementary tool for learning. You however, have refused to admit that part of your message was that video is a viable primary source. That is where we differ.

 

[Vajramusti]

I've acknowledged the value of video as a supplementary tool for learning. You however, have refused to admit that part of your message was that video is a viable primary source. That is where we differ.

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Videos can be useful for learning many things. But as a primary tool for learning good wing chun, I don't think so. Havent we done this discussion enough?

 

[wckf92]

I did the same with Steve Maxwell. If you know anything about Steve, you'll know he's not into money or narcissism.

Cool. Yeah he also has some good stuff!

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[Flying Crane]

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Videos can be useful for learning many things. But as a primary tool for learning good wing chun, I don't think so. Havent we done this discussion enough?

There is always somebody new who wants to come in and do it again. It is tiresome.

 

[Grenadier]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough during my previous post...

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[Dylan9d]

Learning a martial art from a book is even worse than from a video.

I never mentioned learning martial arts from a book.

Docters learn medicine from books, but then they only know theory what they lack is the practical application. Thats why they internships and thats were they get their practical knowledge

So im not saying it is better learning from video or books than from a teacher.....

Books are there for educational purposes so are videos.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Docters learn medicine from books, but then they only know theory what they lack is the practical application. Thats why they internships and thats were they get their practical knowledge.

That's really not how it works. Hell, we had a cadaver to work on for A&P even when I was an undergrad. Yes, there is a ton of didactic learning, but that's mostly aimed at memorizing data, learning things like cluster thinking, and interactions at levels that cannot be directly observed (easy example: you cannot watch the kreb cycle, but you certainly cannot learn much about human physiology without understanding it). You can certainly learn formulas and such from books. But practical application starts long before internship. It just gets more intense, with increasing levels of responsibility and independence, after the degree is earned.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You can't depend on your MA teacher to hold on your hands for the rest of your life. Soon or later, your MA teacher will pass away and you will be alone and you have to depend on yourself.

Some people may say that to train at home by yourself will build up bad habit. IMO, unless you are a beginner, not to train at home is a bad habit by itself.

Again, how do we define a beginner? 1 year experience? 5 years experience? or 10 years experience?

 

[KPM]

^^^^ I have likely learned more by having to go home and think about what I was taught, remember it, analyze it, and practice it, than I have learned during the time I spent directly with the teacher. And then having to teach it to someone else! That's when you really learn and develop your understanding!

 

[Phobius]

^^^^ I have likely learned more by having to go home and think about what I was taught, remember it, analyze it, and practice it, than I have learned during the time I spent directly with the teacher. And then having to teach it to someone else! That's when you really learn and develop your understanding!

That has nothing to do with the topic. Your teacher shows and corrects your movements. After practice you contemplate on what was said.

With video you would not have teacher input on your actions to reflect on.

 

[KPM]

^^^^ True. I was just agreeing with John on the importance of putting in the "flight time" and practicing on your own.

 

[Flying Crane]

I never mentioned learning martial arts from a book.

Docters learn medicine from books, but then they only know theory what they lack is the practical application. Thats why they internships and thats were they get their practical knowledge

So im not saying it is better learning from video or books than from a teacher.....

Books are there for educational purposes so are videos.

Well yes, there are plenty of things that can be learned from books. Martial arts are not among them.

 

[Dylan9d]

Well yes, there are plenty of things that can be learned from books. Martial arts are not among them.

Can I ask your background? How long are you training and/or teaching? Just out of interest

 

[Dylan9d]

^^^^ I have likely learned more by having to go home and think about what I was taught, remember it, analyze it, and practice it, than I have learned during the time I spent directly with the teacher. And then having to teach it to someone else! That's when you really learn and develop your understanding!

Exactly, mimicking a teacher is so easy and will suit the needs of the casual martial artist. But for me personally, I got alot of basic and advanced techniques but the most advanced stuff comes from exploration and training by yourself.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

^^^^ True. I was just agreeing with John on the importance of putting in the "flight time" and practicing on your own.

I'm always interested in the "roundhouse kick". One day I saw a MT "roundhouse kick" clip that the power come from 45 degree downward force. When you use it to kick your opponent's head, you should not kick your opponent's head on the way up but on the way down. That mean you have to kick higher than your opponent's head.

I suddenly realized that I didn't train my "roundhouse kick" hard enough. That clip just open my eyes because my long fist teacher had never taught me that. Even if I may spend another 20 years in my long fist system, I still don't think I will be able to figure that out by myself.

An online clip is like a mirror. It can tell you what you have, and what you don't have.