Can you learn from video?

[KPM]

Yes, you did:


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Well, if you read my entire post you would see that I went on to say this:

At some point the person learning from DVD will have to seek out an instructor for some quality training. But his or her feet should already be firmly on the path compared to someone with no previous exposure at all.

 

[Flying Crane]

Well, if you read my entire post you would see that I went on to say this:

At some point the person learning from DVD will have to seek out an instructor for some quality training. But his or her feet should already be firmly on the path compared to someone with no previous exposure at all.

Of course I read your entire post. You say a number of things.

Among which is that someone can get their primary training from video.

You've got it backwards. training with a good instructor comes first, and then video can be used as a supplement/reference source. Not the other way around.

And it really depends on what video you use, not just whatever you find on the Internet, put together by some random person who is not connected to your school or lineage. Because there will be inconsistencies and that really does make a huge difference. I doubt you have the depth of background to understand that, but it is true, like it or not.

 

[Vajramusti]

Of course I read your entire post. You say a number of things.

Among which is that someone can get their primary training from video.

You've got it backwards. training with a good instructor comes first, and then video can be used as a supplement/reference source. Not the other way around.

And it really depends on what video you use, not just whatever you find on the Internet, put together by some random person who is not connected to your school or lineage. Because there will be inconsistencies and that really does make a huge difference. I doubt you have the depth of background to understand that, but it is true, like it or not.

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Good reply

 

[KPM]

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Good reply

You really think so? I'm done talking with idiots.

 

[Vajramusti]

Name calling!!

 

[KPM]

Name calling!!

Allow me to quote from Mr. "Flying Crane":

I doubt you have the depth of background to understand that, but it is true, like it or not.

He knows nothing about me. So again, I'm done talking to idiots.

 

[Flying Crane]

Allow me to quote from Mr. "Flying Crane":

I doubt you have the depth of background to understand that, but it is true, like it or not.

He knows nothing about me. So again, I'm done talking to idiots.

Well, the fact that you are advocating for video instruction in this way supports my assertion.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Allow me to quote from Mr. "Flying Crane":

I doubt you have the depth of background to understand that, but it is true, like it or not.

He knows nothing about me. So again, I'm done talking to idiots.

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[Phobius]

When I started training I first decided after long time thinking and researching to learn WC. Once I knew and waited for new semester/class to start I studied a lot of videos, instructional, in great detail trying to learn and do what they showed.

Result was wasted, whatever advantage I had of learning movements was neglected by me questioning any and all teaching that was not resembling the videos.

Took a while to realize I was wrong because I refused to grasp that I need to learn A before I learn B, thinking I already knew C.

Doubt I lost anything by doing it but doubt also any gain. Would be better of focusing on cardio and calisthenics training instead.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

When I started training I first decided after long time thinking and researching to learn WC. Once I knew and waited for new semester/class to start I studied a lot of videos, instructional, in great detail trying to learn and do what they showed.

Result was wasted, whatever advantage I had of learning movements was neglected by me questioning any and all teaching that was not resembling the videos.

Took a while to realize I was wrong because I refused to grasp that I need to learn A before I learn B, thinking I already knew C.

Doubt I lost anything by doing it but doubt also any gain. Would be better of focusing on cardio and calisthenics training instead.

Bingo. I have given similar advice for someone who posted wanting to know what they should do in the months before they were able to move to a new location and start their martial arts training. Shadow box, get in shape, skip rope, stretching exercises. Be ready to receive the instruction once you begin training, physically and mentally.

 

[geezer]

I'm done talking with idiots.

Ha, I'll believe that when I see it. ....er, maybe that should be when I read it? Whatever. Anyway Keith, you spend more time talking to idiots on this forum than just about anybody ...even me. And you know the idiots I'm talking about.

Objectively, I can say that Joy (Vajramusdi) spends the least time talking to idiots of anybody here. I mean have you seen how little he posts lately .

But seriously, calling people idiots does not elevate the level of discourse on this forum. That's what the ignore feature is for.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

If you don't know how to deal with

- arm drag,
- over hook,
- under hook,
- ...

where will you obtain such information besides trying to Google and find online DVDs?

 

[KPM]

Seems quite strange to me that someone can mis-state what I wrote in my OP and when I point out to him that this isn't what I said he turns around and insults me, yet I am the one being chastised for pointing out he is being an idiot?

 

[KPM]

When I started training I first decided after long time thinking and researching to learn WC. Once I knew and waited for new semester/class to start I studied a lot of videos, instructional, in great detail trying to learn and do what they showed.

Result was wasted, whatever advantage I had of learning movements was neglected by me questioning any and all teaching that was not resembling the videos.

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Not everyone's experience is the same. It depends upon the individual.

 

[Flying Crane]

Seems quite strange to me that someone can mis-state what I wrote in my OP and when I point out to him that this isn't what I said he turns around and insults me, yet I am the one being chastised for pointing out he is being an idiot?

I did not mis-state what you posted.

And I did point out that you do not understand this stuff. That is crystal clear from your posts. It is not an insult. It is not a judgement of you as a person. It is an observation of fact.

 

[Juany118]

You really think so? I'm done talking with idiots.

I have to agree to though. My Sifu had to relearn a lot, right down to SLT when he started learning under the Lineage of GM William Cheung. Also, without that instructor watching you can have mistakes corrected. Starting with videos can result in having a lot of bad habits. I don't know about you but I find it harder to "deprogram" inappropriate muscle memory and replace it with good than to simply start from scratch.

Once you have the foundation down then videos can be used to augment what you already know.

 

[Hyoho]

You really think so? I'm done talking with idiots.

Good answer and you prove a good point. You might be able to learn M.A from a video but you obviously cant learn the character building qualities that go with it. Nothing like a good free practice to knock people down to size. Videos dont hit you back. Now please show us YOUR video.

 

[Dylan9d]

I think you can learn something from videos, people can learn from books so why not from videos.

The thing is, that practical application isn't a thing you can learn on your own from a video, so to a certain extent yes....

 

[KPM]

I have to agree to though. My Sifu had to relearn a lot, right down to SLT when he started learning under the Lineage of GM William Cheung. .

Interesting comment, given that Keith Mazza has a quite extensive "correspondence course" of videos that would obviously start well before the student had a chance to visit him for hands on training.

 

[KPM]

Good answer and you prove a good point. You might be able to learn M.A from a video but you obviously cant learn the character building qualities that go with it. Nothing like a good free practice to knock people down to size. Videos dont hit you back. Now please show us YOUR video.

This thread seems to have attracted all kinds of .......shall we say.....logic challenged individuals!