Why does karate have better kicks than hands?

[drop bear]

Yes, I can. And, no I won't.

You find me a video of anybody throwing a back fist without a gigantic gap between their shoulder and their head.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Catching kicks and punches on the shoulder requires multiple points of contact, but is by no means a last ditch effort. How old are you again?

 

[Touch Of Death]

You find me a video of anybody throwing a back fist without a gigantic gap between their shoulder and their head.

Watch Ali fights on youtube. He was always getting called for it.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Ok, you got me doing these in the air, and my shoulder cradles my jaw every time. How am I bound up? I throw vertical BKs by the way, not what ever the hell your demonstrator was doing.

 

[drop bear]

Ok, you got me doing these in the air, and my shoulder cradles my jaw every time. How am I bound up? I throw vertical BKs by the way, not what ever the hell your demonstrator was doing.

the video was picked at random. Look if you can throw it with a good shoulder all the better. You are still crossing up though. You are going the long way around to hit my head leaving me the short way open to hit you back.

You could find unique situations to throw back fists. But in basic combinations there is almost always going to be something better.

 

[drop bear]

Watch Ali fights on youtube. He was always getting called for it.

Just because Ali does it does not mean anybody else can.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Just because Ali does it does not mean anybody else can.

Actually, anyone can throw vertical back-knuckles like a jab.

 

[Touch Of Death]

the video was picked at random. Look if you can throw it with a good shoulder all the better. You are still crossing up though. You are going the long way around to hit my head leaving me the short way open to hit you back.

You could find unique situations to throw back fists. But in basic combinations there is almost always going to be something better.

I'm going straight in, you are going around. LOL

 

[Tez3]

Yeah, being a good pad holder is a skill into itself. (To be honest, I'm not very good at it. Just another thing I need to work on. )

I can hold pads for all but the very strongest of our fighters to punch hard, with them I'm put to doing 'speed' work because I can move the pads fast enough to push their reactions up. they don't punch as hard but faster, it's just one of the drills we do.
Other drills are punching a named amount of times then sprawl or 'crawl' through pad holders legs and get back to punching as quickly as possible, sometimes it's punch then press up punch press ups. sometimes it's pad work and then you shout sprawl/press up/sit up etc. It's part of the conditioning work but with pad work too. We also do pad work when you are on your back with the pad holder sitting on you and vice versa. That all comes courtesy of one of our instructors/fighters Sandy, ex Para PTI who has the record for getting more recruits through P Company than any other PTI.

 

[drop bear]

Actually, anyone can throw vertical back-knuckles like a jab.

Effectively as Ali? He can throw stuff because he has set up the position to throw it.

 

[Touch Of Death]

the video was picked at random. Look if you can throw it with a good shoulder all the better. You are still crossing up though. You are going the long way around to hit my head leaving me the short way open to hit you back.

You could find unique situations to throw back fists. But in basic combinations there is almost always going to be something better.

Maybe you don't understand what one is... Put your hand on your pec, whip your fist loosely, but straight out and vertical, and bring it right back. Like you are snapping a towel.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Effectively as Ali? He can throw stuff because he has set up the position to throw it.

Actually the trick was to be far enough away that you hit with the front of your glove. No set up at all, there, just resetting, really. LOL

 

[Touch Of Death]

Actually the trick was to be far enough away that you hit with the front of your glove. No set up at all, there, just resetting, really. LOL

And he was always able to be the hook, because of the distance a straight Back-knuckle jab can cover.

 

[Tez3]

From my post earlier, this is Sandy the Para. he's the bald Scottish 'ref'. This is milling not boxing, it doesn't matter what the skill set is as that's not what is being looked for. They are looking for that aggressive, no backing down spirit not punching skills but it's interesting to see how non boxers or martial artists punch. It's only recently they have been given head guards.

 

[drop bear]

Maybe you don't understand what one is... Put your hand on your pec, whip your fist loosely, but straight out and vertical, and bring it right back. Like you are snapping a towel.

ok lets leave the hook. We will play the speed game and throw a counter straight. You back fist with your left i throw a straight right over the top.

 

[drop bear]

Actually the trick was to be far enough away that you hit with the front of your glove. No set up at all, there, just resetting, really. LOL

Actually the trick is to be Ali.

 

[Touch Of Death]

ok lets leave the hook. We will play the speed game and throw a counter straight. You back fist with your left i throw a straight right over the top.

But because, I beat you to the punch, that same punching hand is now cradling my head, like the precious baby that it is.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Actually the trick is to be Ali.

Again, anyone can do this. LOL

 

[drop bear]

Again, anyone can do this. LOL

Which is why we see everybody doing it. Lol.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Which is why we see everybody doing it. Lol.

I'm sorry they didn't teach you the Back knuckle, but you really should check it out.