The Resurgence of Traditional Martial Arts in Modern Mixed Martial Arts

[Kung Fu Wang]

Borrow this video from another thread. If all MMA guys train like this, the TMA guys will have no chance.

 

[Buka]

My Sifu said there is no such thing as self defense, there is only self offense.

Ooooh!

 

[Haruhiko]

Why

Could you elaborate?

Let me clarify:

Assuming both fighters are of an equally competent level, but one was used to restrictions because of UFC rulesets, it follows that

a) the UFC fighter may be at a disadvantage having not trained sufficiently for situations that simply don't occur or aren't allowed in the cage
b) the other fighter may use weapons, the environment, and ways of attacking completely alien to the UFC fighter

I don't see a grappler lasting very long against an equally experienced and strong opponent armed and trained in weaponry, let alone one using forbidden UFC moves like eye gouging, biting, pocket sand... I mean come on.

My main point is that the fight would "play out" completely differently to what you watch on the TV.

The UFC is useful in determining who is the best at UFC fighting, under UFC rules. That's about it.

 

[drop bear]

Let me clarify:

Assuming both fighters are of an equally competent level, but one was used to restrictions because of UFC rulesets, it follows that

a) the UFC fighter may be at a disadvantage having not trained sufficiently for situations that simply don't occur or aren't allowed in the cage
b) the other fighter may use weapons, the environment, and ways of attacking completely alien to the UFC fighter

I don't see a grappler lasting very long against an equally experienced and strong opponent armed and trained in weaponry, let alone one using forbidden UFC moves like eye gouging, biting, pocket sand... I mean come on.

My main point is that the fight would "play out" completely differently to what you watch on the TV.

The UFC is useful in determining who is the best at UFC fighting, under UFC rules. That's about it.

The issue is you can't be equally good.

Because you can't train moves that will cripple people the same way you can train moves that don't.

You can't even find experts in moves that cripple people because there is no money in that.

(OK. There is a nuance. A pro fighter has to use his techniques against other really good guys to earn a living.

A self defence illegal moves expert does not. They might earn a living teaching those moves. But they don'tearn a living doing those moves to other people)

 

[Badhabits]

The issue is you can't be equally good.

Because you can't train moves that will cripple people the same way you can train moves that don't.

You can't even find experts in moves that cripple people because there is no money in that.

(OK. There is a nuance. A pro fighter has to use his techniques against other really good guys to earn a living.

A self defence illegal moves expert does not. They might earn a living teaching those moves. But they don'tearn a living doing those moves to other people)

This is a good point thats irked me for a long time. How many true self defense "experts" are out there to learn from? To be an expert in something you have to have a lot of experience in it. Even a dozen true self defense experiences wouldn't make someone an expert. It's not enough experience. I've been in more than a dozen real rights in my youth. I'll still never claim to be an expert in fighting.

 

[Haruhiko]

This is a good point thats irked me for a long time. How many true self defense "experts" are out there to learn from? To be an expert in something you have to have a lot of experience in it. Even a dozen true self defense experiences wouldn't make someone an expert. It's not enough experience. I've been in more than a dozen real rights in my youth. I'll still never claim to be an expert in fighting.

They're typically employed by government agencies, military, or as private contractors. And they don't talk a lot about their experiences publicly.

 

[Badhabits]

They're typically employed by government agencies, military, or as private contractors. And they don't talk a lot about their experiences publicly.

Going to a Rory Miller seminar or something is on my bucket list

 

[windwalker099]

To be an expert in something you have to have a lot of experience in it. Even a dozen true self defense experiences wouldn't make someone an expert.

Would one consider this man to be an expert,

 

[JowGaWolf]

b) the other fighter may use weapons, the environment, and ways of attacking completely alien to the UFC fighter

Taking MMA doesn't remove this option from the person. There is a news report of an MMA fighter defending himself from 4 attackers in a home invasion crime. The MMA fighter stabbed one of the attacker's to death.

I train staff. If I ever have to use it, then my attacker will probably not have that luxury unless he takes my weapon.