Strating your own System, That is the Question???????

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Hmmmnn, so likewise with the dead, things surface moreso than when they were alive. Things are seen or realized more once they are dead than when they were alive?

The more you know about someone the more you can understand them.
Something I have been trying to state. But can you truely know them without going into the details of accounts as these unfolded with others around them. Can you fully understand them without being in full contact? It is easy to take certain writings and interpret these as one can mold-in either account. But, without actually being there, you can only take into account what others being there can state, which can fall in different directions.

You can't just blindly accept how great someone is/was, even after they died, if evidence surfaces that they were not all they said they were.
Yes, but in the earliest point of time people did (per a few particulars in my past).


If people have been following a myth, they deserve to know they have been following a myth.
I can agree with this. But when certain things surface that wasnt known before, does this make the person less of what they were upon their final departure? Again, does this make them have no abilties, less of or not an instructor, and less of a martial artist? Does this make them less famous or have less of a overall contribution?
 
47MartialMan said:
The more you know about someone the more you can understand them.
Something I have been trying to state. But can you truely know them without going into the details of accounts as these unfolded with others around them. Can you fully understand them without being in full contact? It is easy to take certain writings and interpret these as one can mold-in either account. But, without actually being there, you can only take into account what others being there can state, which can fall in different directions.
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It would be impractical and impossible to get to know everyone everywhere on a personal level and then form an opinion......
 
That is one of the purposes of newspapers-to uncover truth and get to the bottom of things. Very often, presidents (from Bush II on back) will spoonfeed us "info" that they created to hide what they are really doing, especially when they have they have an agenda they want to pursue. And it's not just presidents and politicians. Anybody occupying a prominent place in society (martial artists as well BTW) will spoonfeed us pablum to make sure our perception of them remains as it should be. The journalists and truthseekers who are doing their job (and are not paid shills) will check to see if what they are saying is accurate. They have a responsibility to.
Now if, say, a so-called Grandmaster is called on his lies and half truths by a truthseeker, and he gets defensive, then maybe he wasn't the Grandmaster everyone thought he was. How many so-called "Masters" have we dealt with on this forum that got VERY defensive when their credentials were questioned? If you are who you say you are, and what you teach is legit, you should have no problems answering questions. Particularly from those who are not members of your Association or clique. Very easy to answer questions when the questioner is associated with you. Difficult when the questioner is suspicious of you.
 
Michagan TKD is right for all who ever got offensive about question about there Master or Grand Master have turned out to be a frued eventually. If you know the truth than who care's if a lies you do.
 
So.. TKD which has some rather mysterious "connections" to its past. Of course, The Korean GM are so honorable that to question them us unthinkable. Then you have mags like tkd times that is rather a extended form of advertising (actually all martial arts mags are kinda in this catagory) to help expose the truth!
 
Well, yes people desire a trurth, and though the truth, or somewhat close to it, it will sting the blind follower or person whom was impressed by someone in the past. Only to find out later that there are, or maybe, other information in reciprocal as what they had originally be told or led to believe.

Lets talk about this per Bruce Lee....

Yeah, yeah, those of you may have a sigh, but bare with me please.

While Bruce was a alive (perhaps no different than other well known figures), not too many people would "step up" and find his faults.

After his death and much speculation, the autopsy revealed traces of cannibis.

Right away, some people could assume that "Bruce Lee smoked pot to get high".

And, perhaps those were close to him can also state this. But their reasons, after his death, could have a different agenda. So when these people did come out and state that Bruce did smoke pot.

However, are we to take the information from these people as factual, despite that Bruce did have cannibis in his stomach?

One doctor was quoting as saying it (cannibis) was not significant enough...

(This remains me of a president whom smoked it but didnt inhale)

I guess anyone can take information presented to them and use it to form their opinion.
 
RRouuselot said:
Uh..... no it did not.
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See, this is what I am talking about.

Somewhere, someone has stated such info.

And I had seen, somewhere, someone had shown a copy of it.

Was it Life, People, etc.?

Do you have a copy of it or can show it did not?

BTW, it is not my opinion if he did or not, but a general analogy or concept to be explored.
 
47MartialMan said:
Do you have a copy of it or can show it did not?
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I have seen a photo copy of it in a book.

The report said "death by misadventure". Lee had an allegic reaction to a type of asprin tablet.
 
RRouuselot said:
Uh..... no it did not.
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Actually, many sources state that he did, so dont jump on him too hard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_lee

A short time later, Lee complained of a headache, and Ting pei gave him a tablet of analgesic. At around 7:30 pm, he lay down for a nap. After Lee didn't turn up for the dinner, Chow came to the apartment but could not wake up Lee. A doctor was summoned, who spent 10 minutes attempting to revive him before sending him by ambulance to Queen Elizabeth Hospital. However, Lee was dead by the time he reached the hospital. The ensuing autopsy found traces of cannabis in his stomach. There was no visible external injury; however, his brain had swollen considerably, from 1,400 to 1,575 grams. Lee was 32 years old.

A similar incident had occurred a few months before. On May 10, during the final dubbing of Enter the Dragon, Lee suffered a sudden attack of seizures and a cerebral edema which was not fatal. The neurosurgeon who saved his life in May, Dr. Peter Wu, said that he removed a considerable amount of hashish from Lee's stomach. Bruce, whose entrained paranoia grew with his international fame, had been chewing hashish to calm himself. Dr. Wu, who is renowned for his cerebral edema research in Asian males, said that various neurological problems associated with hashish had been recorded in Nepalese men. Bruce was very vulnerable to the effects of drugs due to his extrememly low body fat. Dr. Donald Langford, Lee's physician in Hong Kong, said that Bruce's body had less than one percent body fat, that "it was obscene how little body fat he had." Bruce Lee weighed only around 128 pounds at the time of his death.
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I was always under the impression the accepted theory was that Lee died of edema, of which drugs were a contributing but not primary cause. From my experience, many times coroners list multiple factors that contribute to a persons death but make a "general" statement as to the primary cause a la "death by misadventure". The primary cause may very well have been anallergic reaction to the analgesic, but that reaction could have had roots in Lee's low body fat and drug use....:idunno:
 
Tgace said:
I was always under the impression the accepted theory was that Lee died of edema, of which drugs were a contributing but not primary cause. From my experience, many times coroners list multiple factors that contribute to a persons death but make a "general" statement as to the primary cause a la "death by misadventure". The primary cause may very well have been anallergic reaction to the analgesic, but that reaction could have had roots in Lee's low body fat and drug use....:idunno:
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This is what I found
"However the official cause of death, cerebral edema, was recorded as being the result of an allergic reaction to the analgesic he took"

Im just wondering why were are talking about how B. Lee died when the topic is something different........:idunno:
 
RRouuselot said:
This is what I found
"However the official cause of death, cerebral edema, was recorded as being the result of an allergic reaction to the analgesic he took"

Im just wondering why were are talking about how B. Lee died when the topic is something different........:idunno:
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Because this is in relation when someone dies, how information is presented, interpreted, or mis-interpreted (like Yamaguchi).

And, it also fits the topic of starting your own system, which Burce did.
 
47MartialMan said:
After his death and much speculation, the autopsy revealed traces of cannibis.

.......

One doctor was quoting as saying it (cannibis) was not significant enough...
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I dunno....:idunno:

I guess Im just supporting this statement as they both appear to be true on the surface. While pot may have been in his stomach (ingested not smoked) it was determined it was the analgesic that killed him.

Thats all...
 
What is the root of this debate?

Per starting a system and or learning a system, per speaking of information after someone's death, per the below adding to the purpose(s) of it all.

Yeah, sure people make exaggerated claims. Sure, some people have little understanding about martial arts-in the beginning. But as one matures and/or develops abilities and wisdom, they envolve into a different person. Thus is what martial arts do. As humans, we all make mistakes. As martial artists, we should not hang these mistakes over someone's head-esp the dead.

When certain things surface that wasnt known before, does this make the person less of what they were upon their final departure? Again, does this make them have no abilties, less of or not an instructor, and less of a martial artist? Does this make them less famous or have less of a overall contribution?

I too, have been lied to my a couple of past instructors. Does this make them/me have no abilties, less of or not an instructor, and less of a martial artists? Does this make them/me have less of a overall contribution?

Btw, I had continued my martial art study and as a martial artist, decades after these particular instructors departed.

Forgive the repetition...:)
 
What is the point of MA? Why are you teaching MA? What is the root of this debate?

Is it about preserving a lineage?
Is it about getting students and $$? (If so. What sells?...the lineage, your movement skills, it's "street effectiveness"?)
Is it about ego?
Is it about "truth" and proving you have it or know it?


What else is there?.....
 
Tgace said:
What is the point of MA? Why are you teaching MA?

Is it about preserving a lineage?
Is it about getting students and $$? (if so what sells...the lineage, your movement skills, it's "street effectiveness"?)
Is it about ego?
Is it about "truth" and proving you have it or know it?


What else is there?.....
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Is it about self improvement?
Is it about making changes in one's life?
Is it about building charecter?
Is it about living better morals (in analogy like sprituality)? (per some below)
Is it about forgiveness and compasion?

Is it about sharing these and others like these to other people?
 
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