BlackCatBonz
Master Black Belt
ok i did a little bit of searching, and i know this whole jack stern thing has been beaten, flogged, shot, and blown up with a nuclear bomb..........is this guy still teaching?
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If you do a google search for him you will find all kinds of places where he signs other folks "guest books" on their website.BlackCatBonz said:ok i did a little bit of searching, and i know this whole jack stern thing has been beaten, flogged, shot, and blown up with a nuclear bomb..........is this guy still teaching?
Brad Dunne said:Just an observation, I thought Yamaguchi spoke very little english, which would make it doubtful that he could write that well in english? Another question poses itself, which also has a bearing on the picture. Wasen't he also left handed?
Yes it has been proven to be fake.TimoS said:As I remember it, the writing has been proven to be fake, which doesn't really surprise me at all
Again some one tell me how the language or the customs of the the parent country will make you a better martial artist? How long do we have to adopt another culture before we make the arts our own?? How long did Japan wait before making Te in Karate-How long did Korean wait before making Karate Tae Kwon Do??
akja said:I have to agree with this guys quote on another thread because it speaks the TRUTH.
I think Asia should STAY OUT of America's buisness. Our systems are no longer theirs. The Gracies PROVED just how weak all systems REALLY were and at that time Japan PROVED themselves to be weak. They didn't get better until years later after they CROSSTRAINED.
Watch the early Pride fights and the others that sprang up. There was almost no rules. NO EXCUSES! :uhyeah:
Don Roley said:My god, where did that come from all of a sudden?
Listen, we try to encourage friendly discussion here. Lashing out like that just becasue public opinion is going overwhelmingly against you does not help with maintaining friendly and open conversation. We can disagree while still remaining civil.
I realize your position. Everyone seems to be against the idea that your orginization judges arts they have no experience in. And people experessed disbelief when your hanshi said he could judge an entire arts combat effectiveness based on a video tape shorter than many yellow belt tests depite the fact it seems he never has had to use his art to save his life. And now Robert has shown that your claims of checking credentials and quality assurance are rather questionable because you originally let Jack Stern in the door.
That is still no reason to crank up the flame thrower :flame: and lash out with a post that basically says "JAPAN SUCKS! AMERICA RULZ!!!!!!"
It seems a cheap attempt to divert the attention and appeal to the patriotism of Americans. It really has no place in this discussion. If you don't want to have anything to do with Asia, why use terms like "soke" instead of perfectly good English words? And how is Asia sticking its nose into American martial arts? Are you telling some of us to shut up instead of pointing out that the terms and such you use are not the same as they are in the native language? Are you so afraid that the comparison of the way things are done in Asia will make you look bad that you want there to not even be a discussion about it? Well, martialtalk is about discussion, and the only person that seems to be telling others that they have to defer to great masters seems to be you with your comments like "where were YOU in 1963" and such.
I am not going to touch the America vs Asia subject. It is totally without merit to the conversation at hand. I find your arguements to be silly, but you seem to want us to debate the superiority of one over the other rather than keep the attention on the problems with self proclaimed experts calling themselves soke which is the subject of the thread.
well i would hardly say that the gracies re-invented the wheel......they simply chose one aspect of a diverse art and concentrated on it. while someone like rickson gracie is indeed an all around excellent fighter, their reign as the unbeatable fighting family is over..........the stuff they studied was a japanese art.akja said:I have to agree with this guys quote on another thread because it speaks the TRUTH.
I think Asia should STAY OUT of America's buisness. Our systems are no longer theirs. 1.The Gracies PROVED just how weak all systems REALLY were and at that time Japan PROVED themselves to be weak. They didn't get better until years later after they CROSSTRAINED.
Watch the early Pride fights and the others that sprang up. There was almost no rules. NO EXCUSES! :uhyeah:
I stated they showed Japan how WEAK that their martial arts were and they did.BlackCatBonz said:well i would hardly say that the gracies re-invented the wheel......they simply chose one aspect of a diverse art and concentrated on it. while someone like rickson gracie is indeed an all around excellent fighter, their reign as the unbeatable fighting family is over..........the stuff they studied was a japanese art.
Don Roley said:I am not going to touch the America vs Asia subject. It is totally without merit to the conversation at hand. I find your arguements to be silly, but you seem to want us to debate the superiority of one over the other rather than keep the attention on the problems with self proclaimed experts calling themselves soke which is the subject of the thread.
i dont think that it is a sore spot with just asians. i think a lot of "traditionalist martial artists" have a problem with it. the fact is, the traditionilist people are far outnumbered by the others.akja said:That is at the core of all of your statements! Why else would you or anyone else in the east worry about the sokeships and THEIR CHOICE of terminology in the west???? :uhyeah:
i agree with you to a point. on the other hand........people like the notoriety of having the title grandmaster in front of their names even if they only have 1 years worth of experience 20 times over.tshadowchaser said:If the terms Soke and Grandmaster were taken out of the equation and these organisations simply called themsleves headmasters, creative founders, head of organisation, president, leader of XXXX. first student of. etc. I think there would be less tension and argument with what they do
They is a ctually the exact same post as #250 found here:Don Roley said:My god, where did that come from all of a sudden?
akja said:1) Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't let stern in any door and I did not say that Japan sucks.
2) I am not a part of any sokeship and as far as the sokeship we were talking about. Just because you guys stated that Jack Stern was a part of it and got booted does NOT make it a FACT. PROVE IT. You and your buddy need to stop twisting the truth to meet your own agenda.
3) I stated that Japans martial arts were proven weak by the west and they didn't get better until they started crosstraining. :uhyeah:
And you did already touched the America vs. Asia subject all along.
What exactly do you get when you cross train?akja said:Key word CROSSTRAINING, .........
For the self proclaimed Soke's I think they should use "Cheif Bone head" or "Grand Dipstick".........arnisador said:I think using a term like 'soke' that is so clearly Japanese is like calling yourself an Earl. It's a term of respect, hereditary, that's unique to one country. I think adopting it here is somewhat disrespectful. (You hear a similar discussion about the use of 'datu' in the FMA.) What's wrong with being a headmaster?
akja said:Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't let stern in any door and I did not say that Japan sucks.
I stated that Japans martial arts were proven weak by the west and they didn't get better until they started crosstraining.
I think using a term like 'soke' that is so clearly Japanese is like calling yourself an Earl. It's a term of respect, hereditary, that's unique to one country. I think adopting it here is somewhat disrespectful. (You hear a similar discussion about the use of 'datu' in the FMA.) What's wrong with being a headmaster?