What is your opinion on WHY anyone bothers to evangelise about their art? What is it I wonder that makes someone an evangelist in this sense do you think? Jx
MMA and similar arts are not true Martial Arts?
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drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
one aspect i am mulling over is dogmatic training leading to dogmatic thinking.
In pretty much the same way religious belief can tip over.
dogmatic thinking is one thing yes though what is it do you suggest that makes a martial artist who thinks dogmatically become sanctimonious and evangelistic about their art with others who are not of their artistic persuasion? Jx
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
That's easy. They discover truth rather than doubt. We all really want this stuff to work. I want it to work. So we add this belief in a system that just keeps validating itself. Eventually we accept a new truth. And if we know the truth then they cant.
Then they are wrong and we have to fix them.
Yep. Knowing the "truth" is comforting. Doubt is scary.
I wrote some of my thoughts on the subject on my blog a while back.
Danny T
Senior Master
They discover truth through blind or manipulated acceptance rather than through questioning and testing against other truths.
I think I understand this yes.. and so taking it back to the original post.. what do you think is this *truth* as regards MMA and similar arts not being "true" martial arts? Jx
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
not to get so hung up on labels.
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Hanzou
Grandmaster
They are true martial arts. The problem is that arts that can't compete with those arts in terms of fighting ability have to separate themselves in order to remain viable in the modern age. MMA and NHB competitions are merely modern incarnations of tournament fights that have been going on for centuries in various countries, and traditional MAs of all types freely participated in them. So saying that "sport" MAs aren't true MAs is nonsense.
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Hanzou
Grandmaster
Again, the arts that commonly make up of MMA training, or the arts most associated with MMA training. I fail to see how that is at all confusing.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Evangelize much? Naw, not you...
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Hanzou
Grandmaster
It's not redundant.
There's arts commonly found in MMA, and there's arts not commonly found in MMA. Aikido for example isn't suitable for MMA for whatever reason. Thus Aikido isn't a "MMA art" or "MMA style".
I've got a comment I'll make about this in a moment, but I'm in line at the ATM machine and I'm trying to remember my PIN number.
I've got a comment I'll make about this in a moment, but I'm in line at the ATM machine and I'm trying to remember my PIN number.
There's not "touche" button....but touchè
ShotoNoob
Master Black Belt
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Do you have any 'doubts' about Machida in his upcoming bout against Rockhold this October? Since the T is on MMA, let's look to an actual contest.
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Any opinion on the Machida / Rockhold match scheduled for UFC Fox 15 @ April 18? We haven't heard much from Dolloway since Machida starched him. OTOH, Machida seems to have bounced back nicely from the 5-Round beating he took from Weidman @ UFC 175.
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I religiously follow Machida's every fight.... Maybe a T on this....
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
All you actually have to do with language is evoke an idea. It doesn't have to be technically correct.
I have a coach who refers to those art,arts as drills.
"bjj yeah that is a really good drill for mma"
And then we all giggle.
the name in and of itself "Mixed Martial Arts" answers the question. It says ARTS not art thus it is more than one art
