Kung fu in MMA Wins

[Alan0354]

Ha ha, if you really can just stand there and nobody can move you, you would have won in the first two UFC because Royce Gracie would not be able to take you down. Your style would have been known around the world instead Gracie BJJ dojo all over the place, it would be your schools all over the country. UFC would be training your style!!!

 

[Flying Crane]

Stupid to stand there and let people push to show he cannot be moved. This is NOT one incident, I personally saw quite a few times. Why are they wasting time to even practice not being moved? Do they have a brain?

What is kung fu for? To kick butt, that's it. Don't make it anything else. Like I said many times, you want grace and artistic, go do ballet. MA is art of kicking butt. Two people walk in, one person walk out. Stop talking, train someone that is talent enough to use the kung fu style to win some fights in the octagon. AND stop making excuses.

They were showing how root makes you stable, and then can be used to initiate powerful technique. And again, it is discussion of theory and demonstration of the concept, which is not the same as display of direct combat application. There is a difference there. Are you able to understand that distinction?

I guess you were never taught this in your TKD training? If it is simply outside of your experience then I can understand why it confuses you.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Stupid to stand there and let people push to show he cannot be moved.

One time a CMA guys said that he had strong rooting and cannot be moved. I got behind of him with my left arm surrounded his waist, I then extend my right arm between his groin, and lift him off the ground.

In Chinese wrestling, it's called "elephant nose embracing".

 

[Steve]

They were showing how root makes you stable, and then can be used to initiate powerful technique. And again, it is discussion of theory and demonstration of the concept, which is not the same as display of direct combat application. There is a difference there. Are you able to understand that distinction?

I guess you were never taught this in your TKD training? If it is simply outside of your experience then I can understand why it confuses you.

Okay. Hold on. Isn't fighting outside of your experience? I seem to recall once you declaring proudly that you had never even been in a schoolyard fight, and have zero practical experience fighting. If I'm mistaken, let me know. But I'm pretty sure I'm not.

And if you've never been in a fight, why have you suddenly become so vocal about fighting? And how can you possibly understand the distinction between fighting and anything? You said earlier you couldn't possibly understand the point. I think you should just stop there and move on.

 

[Alan0354]

They were showing how root makes you stable, and then can be used to initiate powerful technique. And again, it is discussion of theory and demonstration of the concept, which is not the same as display of direct combat application. There is a difference there. Are you able to understand that distinction?

I guess you were never taught this in your TKD training? If it is simply outside of your experience then I can understand why it confuses you.

Are you able to understand about winning a fight? It is well know how to generate power in striking without resort to these stupid standing there and not to be pushed.

NO, We were never taught to stand firm and show off that nobody can move us!!! We only taught how to punch hard and kick hard by combine legs, hips, waist, shoulder together to generate power. We only learn how to synchronize the whole body to concentrate the power to one point to generate the maximum point to hit that point.

Is that what your kung fu taught you to stand there and not to be moved?

 

[Flying Crane]

Are you able to understand about winning a fight? It is well know how to generate power in striking without resort to these stupid standing there and not to be pushed.

NO, We were never taught to stand firm and show off that nobody can move us!!! We only taught how to punch hard and kick hard by combine legs, hips, waist, shoulder together to generate power. We only learn how to synchronize the whole body to concentrate the power to one point to generate the maximum point to hit that point.

Is that what your kung fu taught you to stand there and not to be moved?

Ok, I understand that this is simply outside of your realm of experience.

 

[Alan0354]

Ok, I understand that this is simply outside of your realm of experience.

I just learn you never been in a fight, and you lecturing me?

Before you say anything, I never declare to be an expert, I admit I only have 3 years of training. I just look at the result out there. I just saw how kung fu got their butts handed to them in UFC and for almost 30 years after they got whooped, all I hear is excuses why they cannot make it to UFC.

You make my case. All talk and no action. Talk fighting on paper.

 

[drop bear]

They were showing how root makes you stable, and then can be used to initiate powerful technique. And again, it is discussion of theory and demonstration of the concept, which is not the same as display of direct combat application. There is a difference there. Are you able to understand that distinction?

I guess you were never taught this in your TKD training? If it is simply outside of your experience then I can understand why it confuses you.

It isn't real though. They are acting.

Which is different again.

Tai chi did a few of those. Even flew in a k1 fighter to do a fake documentary and get manhandled by a tai chi guy.

 

[Martial D]

It isn't real though. They are acting.

Which is different again.

There's a definite...thing...

Cognitive dissonance?

When you train in a martial art without any real resistance or 'playfighting' levels of resistance and start to believe in it..you drift away from reality. It's evident in many on this forum.

I was once that guy. 8 years of wing chun I walked into a Muay Thai gym that also offered BJJ. 1999 it was..before anyone was using the word MMA.

I believed in my training. In my system. Just like many of you do.

I got handled. Just like many of you would.

That's the year my real martial arts training began.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I really have not been following this thread, I said what I want to say already.

BUT THIS!!! This is what really really turn me off about kung fu. I've seen so many of those so called "master" love to demo this kind of stuff, telling people to try him as if this is of any use in real fight.

Some stupid guy did that to Bruce Lee and tell Lee to push, Bruce Lee went over......and punched him, he went flying. You are talking about a fight!!! You kick and you punch. You don't set in the right way and people push the way you want them to.

even over here, after I learned TKD, me and a friend went to watch a kung fu class, that teacher told me to do exactly the same thing. Me and my friend started smiling!!!!

They talk too much, and BS too much. Funny, my friend that was very good in Wing Chun and TKD back when I was in HK, he stuck out the left hand in the signature Wing Chun fighting stand and told us to push his hand and it won't move. But then you see in UFC 2, the Wing Chun guy used the same stand, did he got taken down in the first few seconds and got ground and pounded. Watch Xu Zaiodong beating the Wing Chun guy also, same thing.

Rooting exercises are not about defending against a punch. What Lee did was as wrong as it would be if someone was demonstrating a basic single-leg drill, and he punched him without warning.

Same if he did it during a basic boxing footwork drill

 

[Gerry Seymour]

It isn't real though. They are acting.

Which is different again.

Tai chi did a few of those. Even flew in a k1 fighter to do a fake documentary and get manhandled by a tai chi guy.

Not necessarily. Some of these exercises (I know them as “ki exercises“) produce significant effects, and that’s even with the small work I’ve done with them. They work the same way when the person pushing (“testing”) doesn’t know what’s supposed to happen.

They aren’t magic - just some cool body mechanics.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Ha ha, if you really can just stand there and nobody can move you, you would have won in the first two UFC because Royce Gracie would not be able to take you down. Your style would have been known around the world instead Gracie BJJ dojo all over the place, it would be your schools all over the country. UFC would be training your style!!!

They aren’t immovable. Just resistant in specific directions. It doesn’t work so fully in a dynamic situation, but helps some in certain grappling situations.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Are you able to understand about winning a fight? It is well know how to generate power in striking without resort to these stupid standing there and not to be pushed.

NO, We were never taught to stand firm and show off that nobody can move us!!! We only taught how to punch hard and kick hard by combine legs, hips, waist, shoulder together to generate power. We only learn how to synchronize the whole body to concentrate the power to one point to generate the maximum point to hit that point.

Is that what your kung fu taught you to stand there and not to be moved?

Drills differ in systems. Don’t like a drill, don’t train that system. No need to be an *** about it.

 

[drop bear]

Not necessarily. Some of these exercises (I know them as “ki exercises“) produce significant effects, and that’s even with the small work I’ve done with them. They work the same way when the person pushing (“testing”) doesn’t know what’s supposed to happen.

They aren’t magic - just some cool body mechanics.

You would need to do a blind trial. And nobody would subject themselves to that.

 

[Alan0354]

Rooting exercises are not about defending against a punch. What Lee did was as wrong as it would be if someone was demonstrating a basic single-leg drill, and he punched him without warning.

Same if he did it during a basic boxing footwork drill

I've seen quite a few so called master asking people to push them, they think it's so important. Lee is making a point and he is right. They might be a lot better off spending more time learning how to fight than wasting time on this kind of stuff.

 

[Alan0354]

Drills differ in systems. Don’t like a drill, don’t train that system. No need to be an *** about it.

You read what I responded to? I am no more *** than who I responded to.

 

[Alan0354]

They aren’t immovable. Just resistant in specific directions. It doesn’t work so fully in a dynamic situation, but helps some in certain grappling situations.

You have any video clips to show that?

 

[Flying Crane]

I just learn you never been in a fight, and you lecturing me?

Before you say anything, I never declare to be an expert, I admit I only have 3 years of training. I just look at the result out there. I just saw how kung fu got their butts handed to them in UFC and for almost 30 years after they got whooped, all I hear is excuses why they cannot make it to UFC.

You make my case. All talk and no action. Talk fighting on paper.

Blah blah blah LOUD ANGRY NOISES blah blah blah…

maybe someday you will have something coherent to say.

 

[Alan0354]

Blah blah blah LOUD ANGRY NOISES blah blah blah…

maybe someday you will have something coherent to say.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

You would need to do a blind trial. And nobody would subject themselves to that.

Id have no problem with it, for the little bit I can still do (I’m very out of practice on most of it). The stuff I know is pretty straightforward mechanics. I assume much of the more impressive stuff is just being better at those or similar principles. I’ve done a couple of these at public demos, with folks who just volunteered, with no knowledge of what was to be demonstrated.

I had a junior training partner who sometimes had to allow me to move him (he had more advanced experience with these principles from another style). I wasn’t aware of any of this in advance. He just one day didn’t move on some prettty standard Judo-style control. He told me about his training later, so no subconscious cooperating on my part. Learned a lot about good structure-breaking from him.

Most of the stuff I know is interesting, but not very impressive, though the drills appear to be from the same base as the Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido drills.