Being able to stall a pushing movement matters in grappling. Or are you arguing grappling doesnāt prepare for fighting?
Kung fu in MMA Wins
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No. If I still had playmates (students), I could put something together, though me 20 years ago would be much better at demoing it. I expect I can still do the most basic stuff.
I just learn you never been in a fight, and you lecturing me?
Before you say anything, I never declare to be an expert, I admit I only have 3 years of training. I just look at the result out there. I just saw how kung fu got their butts handed to them in UFC and for almost 30 years after they got whooped, all I hear is excuses why they cannot make it to UFC.
You make my case. All talk and no action. Talk fighting on paper.
I don't or wouldn't use the UFC for any points myself.
They had to change the rules of no small joint locks because people like Ken Shamrock kept getting broken fingers and wrists and not able to continue.
I am not defending any art per se.
I am just saying I would not use that as a source.
Note: I train and teach and use FMA, and they told The Dog Brothers Marc Denny that they were too rough for the sport.
So by your logic if one is not training with a weapon in a FMA / SE Asian weapons art then one is not of value.
Which as stated above by is not the point I am making. I just took your argument the rest of the way done the slope.
It is that fighter on that day, they could be a good day or a bad day. The next day it could be different.
Not the art / sport
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lol where do you hang out. You run into more bad Kung Fu people than I thought possible. The way I've been able to avoid the things you experience is to find a kung fu school that is practical. If the school isn't practical about how they train and what they train then don't bother with that school.
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You mean like the side kick to the knee. Learn stuff like that?
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The original roots may be there. But for a lot of people Kung Fu isn't for kicking but.
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Not sure what the other stuff is about but. This I agree with. Not only stalling a pushing movement but redirecting that pushing energy. I have tons of fighting examples of that. Some from my sparring and some from professional fighting sports. Being able to stall that incoming force is enough to keep from being knocked off balance.
- In boxing, a punch is just a punch.
- In CMA, a punch is a punch followed by a grab and pull.
- In TKD, a kick is just a kick.
- In CMA, a kick is a kick followed by a step in.
How can CMA be stupid?
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This was actually part of my training in Jow Ga. Before you call BS. Here's how the training went.
We were required to stand in various stances. Horse, Cat, cross stance, and bow stance. The goal was to hold the stance and not be moved when the teacher pushed us from various sides. The purpose of this training was to maintain a strong and solid stance. If you strike the correct balance then it should not be easy to be pushed off balance. If you lean too far forward, back, or to the side, then you will easily fall off balance. This is bad in grappling especially against systems that feel our your balance and exploit it.
I spar with my brother and he put me in a Muay Thai clinch and I immediately felt my balance disrupted. I had no idea that my brother was able to do that. I was impressed. Now when I spar with him I make sure to hold my stance correctly as if he would exploit my balance if I let him.
So in that aspect this is similar to what you think is fluff, with one exception. We never claim that someone couldn't push us. This wasn't the purpose of the exercise. Jow Ga will stay firm until it's better to flow and turn that person's energy against himself/herself.
My personal thoughts is that people took this type of stance training to the extreme and went beyond what it was designed for. They made it more than what it was intended and such changed the focus. From maintaining a strong stance to "you can't push me." Which was never the original purpose of the training to my knowledge.
Learn how to win instead of more excuses.
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CMA may be dirty (fighting) but it's definitely not stupid. I'm always amazed a the understanding of body mechanics and human behavior that is displayed in CMA.
During my demonstration, if you punch on my face, that will be my fault because I don't have enough alert.
I have no idea how JowGa is, maybe it's exceptional. Yes, I saw too much of those BS. MA is a whole lot more popular in Hong Kong at the time, it's very easy to be exposed to MA. I've seen enough.
One day when I talked to a boxer that a hook punch can be used as a wrist grab, or downward parry to open the guard. He had no idea what I was talking about. I then realized that the huge boxing gloves can make some applications difficult to apply.
CMA invent this 2 arms twisting training that I have not be able to find in any other MA system yet.
I am more judging by the first few UFC where there's no rule other than no eyes gouging, no biting. It's very clear what style can stand up to the test and who cannot. Yes, there is more rules now, but still it's the closest to real fight.
I cannot relate to what you say about weapon in FMA. We are talking about bare knuckle fighting here only. Weapon is a different category. In fact the only reason I am here on this forum is because I recently picked up FMA stick fight using a cane because of my age. Bringing a cane into self defense against people with no weapon or even a small knife is a game changer because of the increase in reach of the cane and hit much harder with a cane. Actually I am practice the one using both hands on the cane, I forgot the name at the moment. It is FMA for sure. I have been watching different styles of stick fight and I find FMA is the best. I am still practicing hard on it.
For what?!!
Are you serious?
Noticing I am not endorsing TKD even I spent 3 years in it. I regret putting so much effort result in injuring myself. TKD have very good kicks, but it's one dimensional. If I were to do it again, it definitely not TKD.
I am not one that blindly sticking to what I learn and defend what I learn, I OPEN my eyes and see and judge. It was the best choice at the time where I found a school that taught more kick boxing ( boxing hands and TKD kicks) rather than traditional TKD. But it's proven it's still not enough after watching UFC. UFC did not come into the scene until 10 years after I started TKD. So it's like crying spilled milk. If I were still learning TKD, I would QUIT right after I saw the first UFC fight!!! And learn BJJ and wrestling to add to TKD.
BUT TODAY, it's so clear what works and what doesn't.
