Iraqi Prisoners Abused, Humiliated, Tortured.

[MJS]

Ok, so what does everyone think of the guy that got his head taken off??? In the paper, it said that this was retaliation for what we did. Well, IMO, I dont believe that we killed anyone while in custody. I might be wrong. Anyway, seems like they took it to the extreme with doing that. This looks like its just gonna keep going back and forth, back and forth. Everyday, it seems like we're getting picked off, one by one. Drop some bombs on them and end it!!!

Mike

 

[MisterMike]

Unfortuneately, I think you are not correct. According to the Red Cross, as many as 90 % of the imprisoned are there for no reason, other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Astonishing.
And the assertions that the AMERICAN RED CROSS is just making this stuff up--to quote Twain, "Oh, carry me home to die, mother."

No reason??? Put 2 guns on front of any of these guys and they will take one for themselves and give the other to their 7 yr old son to kill Americans.

No reason...You gotta invite me to your world some time. On second thought, never mind. I'll choose reality.

Have you seen the latest video? Maybe they could at least carry your head ...

 

[michaeledward]

No reason??? Put 2 guns on front of any of these guys and they will take one for themselves and give the other to their 7 yr old son to kill Americans.

No reason...You gotta invite me to your world some time. On second thought, never mind. I'll choose reality.

Have you seen the latest video? Maybe they could at least carry your head ...

So now, the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies are conspiring against the United States? Next someone will be claiming they have Weapons of Mass Destruction or trying to buy Uranium from Niger.

 

[michaeledward]

Ok, so what does everyone think of the guy that got his head taken off??? In the paper, it said that this was retaliation for what we did. Well, IMO, I dont believe that we killed anyone while in custody. I might be wrong. Anyway, seems like they took it to the extreme with doing that. This looks like its just gonna keep going back and forth, back and forth. Everyday, it seems like we're getting picked off, one by one. Drop some bombs on them and end it!!!

I think it is disgusting that anyone is beheaded.

However, as I recall, the native North Americans used to 'scalp' the Europeans when my ancestors were conquering their land.

Yes, violence breed violence. And no doubt it is going to escalate. Which is why I was against the war before it began.

 

[Matt Stone]

I think it is disgusting that anyone is beheaded.

So what do you think we should do about it? Should we allow this to happen out of a deep sense of regret at the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners? Was his life payment for the transgressions of a very small and isolated few? What if that was your son, brother, or friend? Would your blood be screaming for vengeance? Or would you say "well, he shouldn't have been there," or perhaps "now the score is even, and we should all hold hands and sing kumbaya?"

Yes, violence breed violence. And no doubt it is going to escalate. Which is why I was against the war before it began.

Nobody was "for" the war. Even the people giving the orders to go want to avoid war and the bloodshed that goes with it. But, just like killing someone with the martial arts that we all practice, it may eventually become inevitable... And so it was with Afghanistan and the Taliban, Iraq and Sadaam, Osama and the Al Qaeda punks...

I don't want any more people that I know getting injured or killed. Have you had any personal losses yet? I have... So far three people I know have been killed as a result of enemy action, and another friend is in harm's way daily. But they believe in what they are doing, I believe in what they are doing, and I (nor they) won't forget what kicked this party off in the first place...

All the bleeding hearts are worked up over a few Iraqis being killed in captivity and a few others being abused. Pearl was murdered. Berg was murdered. Several thousand innocent civilians and children were murdered. Where is the outrage over those actions??? Everyone cries so loudly for justice for the poor, innocent Iraqis who are wrongly detained... Why is there no outcry for justice on behalf of Berg and Pearl? Are American lives so worthless and cheap that our own countrymen view the lives of others who are engaged in actions against us, killing us, bombing us, as worth more???

Forget being called a traitor for not believing in the decisions of the Government... But for the people who aren't hungry for justice on behalf of the innocents killed by the "peaceful Iraqi people," you should be ashamed of your misuse of the rights provided for you by the ones you criticize so readily...

I'm disgusted by this thread, I'm disgusted by the reactions of some of the people here... We serve so you don't have to. But don't take it for granted and cheapen the contributions and sacrifices that paid for your ability to be an a$$ in public...

:rpo: :bird: :flammad: :cuss:

 

[michaeledward]

Well then Matt, please don't do me any favors.

I'm sorry you are frustrated by my beliefs, but if you review the record, you will see that there were many people in this administration (the leaders of the country) who were for this war. They put forth many arguments as to why Iraq needed to be invaded; why Saddam Hussein needed to be removed from power. Unfortuneatly, none of those accusations seemed to have any facts to support them, now that we have 20/20 hindsight. There are no weapons of mass destruction. There is no nuclear weapons program. Iraq was not involved with Al Qaeda's attacks against the United States.

If these things do not exist ... and never did exist ... why then are the US military in this country? Yes, I am disgusted by Americans being killed (citizens and soldiers). I am more disgusted by the appearance that this is happening because of false pretenses.

 

[Cruentus]

How sad.....I too actually agree here.....While the treatment recieved by these folks is wrong, it does not constitute physical torture....But it is still a violation of thier basic human rights, and a form of psychological torture....They are still human beings..... :asian:

Sorry to single your post out, marshall, but what you are saying here seems to be a trend, yet I believe it is a misconception.

Do you want to know why the "liberal media" has been showing these pics over the past 2 weeks? There are many agenda's on all sides, and the media is just feeding into these agendas, and satisfying their urge to chase sensationalism. We know that the anti-war crowd will try to use this as justification for their cause, but did you ever think that their might be a pro-war agenda here as well? It's not good for the pro-war side that these attrocities were whistleblown, but since they have been, there is now becomes a need for them to "spin" the issue. Since the cat is out of the bag, it actually becomes good for the pro-war people that these photos have been pasted on every news station for the past 2 weeks, because this DESENSITIZES the public. The photo's are unreal and shocking at first, but they lose their "omf" after you've seen them for the 10th, 20th, or 50th time. If they tried to cover it up, it would only lead to more outrage, so instead we are saturated with the issue so that any "outrage" would be desensitized and short lived, which is exactly what is occuring. Now, well after the photos were first presented, and now after desensitization has taken its effects, I have heard the arguement on Fox News, as well as on most other "liberal" news outlets that these photo's don't depict torture...and that they could be compared to a "frathouse" or "childhood" prank. This is the very arguement that many of you are bringing to the conversation today....that this wasn't torture, and that it was only the equivelent of a "prank."

Show the photo's over and over again, then when the public is desensitized and no longer emotional over them, make the arguement that this was no more wrong then a frathouse prank. Damn liberal media....and you guys are falling for it.

Now, the "anti-war" crowd will continue to use these photos as examples to support their cause, which will backfire on them horribly. Now we have pictures and video of even worse attrocities; the film of the contractor who had his head cut off was just released yesterday. I am waiting for the full footage to be on the internet; as unfortunate as it is, you know that is what is going to happened. As horrible as it is, there are other accounts of assasinations on americans that haven't been published by that "liberal media" until after the treatment of Iraqi prisoners was whistleblown. Hmmm...why's that? Let's just say that I can see the arguements already: "These damn liberals want to slam on our soldiers for "frathouse pranks," when look at what "the terrorists" are doing to our prisoners!"(thrown in with a couple of "hoorahs" and "support our troops" and "go Bush 2004!" for good measure )

So...in the long run, who did it really benefit from the pasting of the photos of Iraqi prisoners all over the news over the last 2 weeks....hmm? It ain't the anti-war crowd, the "Kerry" crowd, the contractor who was just killed, OR our soldiers who benefited...that's for sure. Damn liberal media.

Look...nobody is saying that "terrorists" aren't commiting attrocities on U.S. people, and everyone would agree that having your head cut off is worse then being humiliated (well, everyone except a muslim man, who believes that it is better to die then to go through that sort of humiliation and torture. But, who the heck are they, right? ). All I am asking for you to do is think critically.

Those Iraqi prisoners were tortured. That "liberal media" that equates these photo's with "childhood pranks" forgot to focus on stuff like this that was in the reports:

"Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee."

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Hmmm....childhood prank, huh?

What about these rape seen photo's:

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Apparently rape is no big deal either, huh. Just fraternity stuff right? Well, maybe it is fraternity stuff....the kind that should end you up in jail.

But...hey, we haven't wrongfully killed any prisoners or anyone else, right?

http://members.iinet.net.au/~sauterp/iraq/iraqis_tortured_60min2-i.jpg

Opps...I forgot, about the investigation on at least 12 murdered Iraqi prisoners also.

Well, at least our government didn't "order" these military men to do these things right...

"Davis also stated that he had heard MI [military intelligence] insinuate to the guards to abuse the inmates. When asked what MI said he stated: ‘Loosen this guy up for us.’‘Make sure he has a bad night.’‘Make sure he gets the treatment.’” Military intelligence made these comments to Graner and Frederick, Davis said. “The MI staffs to my understanding have been giving Graner compliments . . . statements like, ‘Good job, they’re breaking down real fast. They answer every question. They’re giving out good information.’” "

"Gary Myers, Frederick’s civilian attorney, told me that he would argue at the court-martial that culpability in the case extended far beyond his client. “I’m going to drag every involved intelligence officer and civilian contractor I can find into court,” he said. “Do you really believe the Army relieved a general officer because of six soldiers? Not a chance.” "


Full account here: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Errr....never mind. :xtrmshock

Face it folks, our land of the brave is just as guilty of attrocities and torture as anyone else, today in as much as in our past. We just happened to handle it a little more "first world-like" today instead of "third-world" like. To add insult to injury, the "pro-war" folks are going to spin this, with the use of the "liberal media," to fit their agenda.

The sooner we face the fact that we have a major problem with the way we handle our propiganda and foriegn policy, the sooner we can start solving these problems. To sweep it under the rug is disgraceful to our soldiers who are actually trying to fight a good fight, and it is disgraceful to our beliefs of freedom and liberty.

Don't let "them" manufacture your ideas...

PAUL
:asian:

 

[Matt Stone]

Well then Matt, please don't do me any favors.

I'll be sure not to. Do me a favor and point yourself out the next time you find your soft tushy dropped into a combat zone... I'll make sure no soldier to your left or right goes out of his or her way to lend you a hand.

Yes, I am disgusted by Americans being killed (citizens and soldiers). I am more disgusted by the appearance that this is happening because of false pretenses.

You are disgusted by the murder of an innocent, but still more disgusted by the political spin from both sides? I certainly hope you maintain your beliefs in the event that someone in your immediate family faces some tragedy... If they are killed by a drunk driver, be sure to hold that driver blameless and focus on the evils of the alcohol industry. If they are injured or killed by a stray bullet, be sure to tout the innocence of the shooter, but feel free to sue the gun industry for their negligence. If they are the helpless victims of terrorism, be sure not to call for justice nor vengeance, as the terrorists are obviously just misunderstood...

I'm done here. It is obvious the media has a stronger hold on some folks than I thought. Believe what you want. I never said there weren't discrepancies with the actions of the Government, but we are still head and shoulders better than "back in the day." And ultimately, after 9/11, you'll notice nothing else has been bombed (as threatened repeatedly), you'll notice Osama doesn't show up much on the news (because he is either no longer news, or no longer a threat?), you'll notice that most Iraqis are glad Sadaam is gone. Whatever got us there, we did the right thing, are doing the right thing, and will continue doing the right thing until the threat of terrorism, the threat of murder by psychopaths with a political agenda, is ended.

Hard for me to understand why some folks don't see this as a good thing.

So long, MT. Enjoy your freedom. Hope you appreciate it, especially when you haven't paid for it...

:asian:

 

[Cruentus]

So what do you think we should do about it?

Good question, Matt Stone.

I think the answer is that we should create policies that coincide with what we propose is our moral and ethical beliefs, AND STICK TO THEM. Don't let their actions make us waiver from our resolve.

That being said, I personally am not a "bleeding heart" about the whole thing. Personally, I am for the death penalty for anyone who commits an attrocity that results in another persons death, just as long as we can prove who is guilty. Those guys who cut off that contractors head in the name of religion should be killed. In fact, I'd go a step further then that. If you commit an attrocity resulting in the death of another in the name of your religion, then we get to kill and bury you in a manner that is against your religion. In other words, those men that killed that contracter should be killed by firing squad with a shoe taped to their face (considered disgraceful), and buried in pigs blood (which I have heard that many believe that being buried in such a defiling manner can prevent you from going to heaven). Film it, and send it to their media. Send the message that if you commit an attrocity resulting in death of another, this is what will happened to you.

But...if we are willing to that, then we'd better be willing to send our men if they commit murderous attrocity to their people to be tried and punished by their standards. Can't have a double standard here, can we?

Or, how about we just set our policy that coincides with our ethical standards as americans, and we STICK to that policy, regardless of what attrocities occur on the other side?

As much as I'd like to kill some of those bastards myself, this is unfortunatily the only way.

PAUL

 

[Cruentus]

So long, MT. Enjoy your freedom. Hope you appreciate it, especially when you haven't paid for it...

Last time I checked, a third of my paycheck pays for it every 2 weeks. If any of your aren't paying for it, please give me the number to your tax advisor.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Sorry to single your post out, marshall, but what you are saying here seems to be a trend, yet I believe it is a misconception.

Do you want to know why the "liberal media" has been showing these pics over the past 2 weeks? There are many agenda's on all sides, and the media is just feeding into these agendas, and satisfying their urge to chase sensationalism. We know that the anti-war crowd will try to use this as justification for their cause, but did you ever think that their might be a pro-war agenda here as well? It's not good for the pro-war side that these attrocities were whistleblown, but since they have been, there is now becomes a need for them to "spin" the issue. Since the cat is out of the bag, it actually becomes good for the pro-war people that these photos have been pasted on every news station for the past 2 weeks, because this DESENSITIZES the public. The photo's are unreal and shocking at first, but they lose their "omf" after you've seen them for the 10th, 20th, or 50th time. If they tried to cover it up, it would only lead to more outrage, so instead we are saturated with the issue so that any "outrage" would be desensitized and short lived, which is exactly what is occuring. Now, well after the photos were first presented, and now after desensitization has taken its effects, I have heard the arguement on Fox News, as well as on most other "liberal" news outlets that these photo's don't depict torture...and that they could be compared to a "frathouse" or "childhood" prank. This is the very arguement that many of you are bringing to the conversation today....that this wasn't torture, and that it was only the equivelent of a "prank."

Show the photo's over and over again, then when the public is desensitized and no longer emotional over them, make the arguement that this was no more wrong then a frathouse prank. Damn liberal media....and you guys are falling for it.

Now, the "anti-war" crowd will continue to use these photos as examples to support their cause, which will backfire on them horribly. Now we have pictures and video of even worse attrocities; the film of the contractor who had his head cut off was just released yesterday. I am waiting for the full footage to be on the internet; as unfortunate as it is, you know that is what is going to happened. As horrible as it is, there are other accounts of assasinations on americans that haven't been published by that "liberal media" until after the treatment of Iraqi prisoners was whistleblown. Hmmm...why's that? Let's just say that I can see the arguements already: "These damn liberals want to slam on our soldiers for "frathouse pranks," when look at what "the terrorists" are doing to our prisoners!"(thrown in with a couple of "hoorahs" and "support our troops" and "go Bush 2004!" for good measure )

So...in the long run, who did it really benefit from the pasting of the photos of Iraqi prisoners all over the news over the last 2 weeks....hmm? It ain't the anti-war crowd, the "Kerry" crowd, the contractor who was just killed, OR our soldiers who benefited...that's for sure. Damn liberal media.

Look...nobody is saying that "terrorists" aren't commiting attrocities on U.S. people, and everyone would agree that having your head cut off is worse then being humiliated (well, everyone except a muslim man, who believes that it is better to die then to go through that sort of humiliation and torture. But, who the heck are they, right? ). All I am asking for you to do is think critically.

Those Iraqi prisoners were tortured. That "liberal media" that equates these photo's with "childhood pranks" forgot to focus on stuff like this that was in the reports:

"Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee."

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Hmmm....childhood prank, huh?

What about these rape seen photo's:

Links REMOVED DUE TO DEPICTIONS OF BRUTAL SEXUAL ACTS

Apparently rape is no big deal either, huh. Just fraternity stuff right? Well, maybe it is fraternity stuff....the kind that should end you up in jail.

But...hey, we haven't wrongfully killed any prisoners or anyone else, right?

http://members.iinet.net.au/~sauterp/iraq/iraqis_tortured_60min2-i.jpg

Opps...I forgot, about the investigation on at least 12 murdered Iraqi prisoners also.

Well, at least our government didn't "order" these military men to do these things right...

"Davis also stated that he had heard MI [military intelligence] insinuate to the guards to abuse the inmates. When asked what MI said he stated: ‘Loosen this guy up for us.’‘Make sure he has a bad night.’‘Make sure he gets the treatment.’” Military intelligence made these comments to Graner and Frederick, Davis said. “The MI staffs to my understanding have been giving Graner compliments . . . statements like, ‘Good job, they’re breaking down real fast. They answer every question. They’re giving out good information.’” "

"Gary Myers, Frederick’s civilian attorney, told me that he would argue at the court-martial that culpability in the case extended far beyond his client. “I’m going to drag every involved intelligence officer and civilian contractor I can find into court,” he said. “Do you really believe the Army relieved a general officer because of six soldiers? Not a chance.” "


Full account here: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Errr....never mind. :xtrmshock

Face it folks, our land of the brave is just as guilty of attrocities and torture as anyone else, today in as much as in our past. We just happened to handle it a little more "first world-like" today instead of "third-world" like. To add insult to injury, the "pro-war" folks are going to spin this, with the use of the "liberal media," to fit their agenda.

The sooner we face the fact that we have a major problem with the way we handle our propiganda and foriegn policy, the sooner we can start solving these problems. To sweep it under the rug is disgraceful to our soldiers who are actually trying to fight a good fight, and it is disgraceful to our beliefs of freedom and liberty.

Don't let "them" manufacture your ideas...

PAUL
:asian:

Liberal media is a myth.

 

[michaeledward]

I certainly hope you maintain your beliefs in the event that someone in your immediate family faces some tragedy... If they are killed by a drunk driver, be sure to hold that driver blameless and focus on the evils of the alcohol industry.

I am an alcoholic practicing my 12th year of sobriety. You need not lecture me on where the responsibility lies. Perhaps someday you may discover alcoholism is a disease, not a choice; we don't blame those with cancer for their disease.

If they are the helpless victims of terrorism, be sure not to call for justice nor vengeance,...

Justice and Vengeance are not the same thing.

And ultimately, after 9/11, you'll notice nothing else has been bombed

Please be aware that more terrorist activities have occurred since 9/11/2001 than occurred in the same time period prior to September 11, 2001. Maybe not on U.S. soil, but the Marriott in Bali is pwned by a U.S. company. Al Qaeda's war is a world wide war.

(as threatened repeatedly), you'll notice Osama doesn't show up much on the news (because he is either no longer news, or no longer a threat?)

Or because the Bush Administration had to beat the drums to launch his 'Private Little War' against the 'Tyrrant' that tried to kill "his daddy".

, you'll notice that most Iraqis are glad Sadaam is gone.

. . . I'm not sure that the Iraqis are 'glad' about anything.

Whatever got us there, we did the right thing, are doing the right thing, and will continue doing the right thing until the threat of terrorism, the threat of murder by psychopaths with a political agenda, is ended.

You are again arguing that 'Saddam' was part of the 'threat of terrorism'. This is just not true ... no matter how much some want to believe it. Of course, it is required that you believe this fallacy is true, in order to justify that we are 'doing the right thing'. If Saddam was not part of the 'threat of terrorism', then what we are doing is wrong, regardless of the outcome.

 

[Tgace]

"I am an alcoholic practicing my 12th year of sobriety. You need not lecture me on where the responsibility lies. Perhaps someday you may discover alcoholism is a disease, not a choice; we don't blame those with cancer for their disease."

Cancer dosent make somebody get a bottle, pour a drink and lift it to their mouth. Dont take offense, but I know a few psychologists who dont believe in the "disease model" of alcoholism.

 

[rmcrobertson]

"Drop some bombs on them and end it!!"

"All the bleeding hearts are worked up over a few Iraqis being killed in captivity and a few others being abused."

It may not bother some of you folks that such words match up with remarks by Nazis and Stalinists all over the world, but it sure as hell bothers me.

Silly me. I thought Christianity demanded something else from us. I thought America stood for something better than those other bastards. And I thought that martial arts meant learning an ethical code that would forbid killing even, "a few...in captivity," or abusing, "a few others," or merely leaning how to, "bomb them and end it." Silly me.

Blame, "the media," a much as you like. It's certainly a convenient excuse.

 

[michaeledward]

Cancer dosent make somebody get a bottle, pour a drink and lift it to their mouth. Dont take offense, but I know a few psychologists who dont believe in the "disease model" of alcoholism.

No offense taken. Nor, am I absolving myself from any responsibilities for my actions while I was under the influence. But that is part of the treatment of my disease.

 

[Cruentus]

"Drop some bombs on them and end it!!"

"All the bleeding hearts are worked up over a few Iraqis being killed in captivity and a few others being abused."

It may not bother some of you folks that such words match up with remarks by Nazis and Stalinists all over the world, but it sure as hell bothers me.

Bothers me too...

Silly me. I thought Christianity demanded something else from us. I thought America stood for something better than those other bastards. And I thought that martial arts meant learning an ethical code that would forbid killing even, "a few...in captivity," or abusing, "a few others," or merely leaning how to, "bomb them and end it." Silly me.

Blame, "the media," a much as you like. It's certainly a convenient excuse.

:idea:

 

[MJS]

"Drop some bombs on them and end it!!"

"All the bleeding hearts are worked up over a few Iraqis being killed in captivity and a few others being abused."

It may not bother some of you folks that such words match up with remarks by Nazis and Stalinists all over the world, but it sure as hell bothers me.

Silly me. I thought Christianity demanded something else from us. I thought America stood for something better than those other bastards. And I thought that martial arts meant learning an ethical code that would forbid killing even, "a few...in captivity," or abusing, "a few others," or merely leaning how to, "bomb them and end it." Silly me.

Blame, "the media," a much as you like. It's certainly a convenient excuse.

I'm not blaming the media for anything. When I said drop some bombs and end it, I was serious!! When we first invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, we overwhelmed them, took them by surprise and dominated the entire thing. Now that Bush has cut back on the amount of troops there and everything else, we're getting picked off more everyday!

Granted, not every Iraqi person is bad. They looked at us when we first got there as saving them. Due to the fact that we were tricked by many of them, it was pretty hard to tell who was the bad guy and who was the supposed 'good guy' even though they had a bomb strapped to them. We're forced to do what we do, IE- doing a house to house search, to find the bad ones. This unfortunately causes some anger with the good people of Iraq.

Mike

 

[OUMoose]

I'm sorry. I was really trying to stay out of this discussion until now.

I finally saw the video that everyone is talking about here (just minimize the browser for the 30 second commercial to get access to the "premium" site), and frankly it makes me sick. Not the atrocity itself, but the fact it's plastered on the web everywhere by news organizations. You CAN'T tell me that they aren't using this to put a spin on the war, or even the massive propaganda machine that some call the Bush Administration.

You thought that Christianity demanded something better? I'm not a good christian by any stretch of the word, but I thought christianity taught compassion above all else? unconditional love. You're telling me that it's compassionate to paste the face of a son that someone gruesomely killed and pictures of the family weeping for it? That's insanity! Leave them the hell alone and let the grieve. Don't use their horrific occurance to fuel the pyre of hate that is the world now.

Martial arts has taught me discression and discipline. It has taught me to avoid a confrontation by any means necessary. THIS is not avoiding anything.

Blame, "the media," a much as you like. It's certainly a convenient excuse.

Yes, I will blame the media on this one. They're the ones spreading this crap, beating it into our skulls that muslims are bad people. What do we do? Sit and watch it in awe, to quote the movie Canadian Bacon, "Because joe public is afraid the world is going to end before the next commercial". All that said, I do support our troops. They're doing a thankless job that they shouldn't even be doing. The "independent contractors" are in it for the money, but are still doing what they think is right. The government who sends those people over there however...

 

[Rick Wade]

Ok, so what does everyone think of the guy that got his head taken off??? In the paper, it said that this was retaliation for what we did. Well, IMO, I dont believe that we killed anyone while in custody. I might be wrong. Anyway, seems like they took it to the extreme with doing that. This looks like its just gonna keep going back and forth, back and forth. Everyday, it seems like we're getting picked off, one by one. Drop some bombs on them and end it!!!

Mike

What people don't realize is that guy was going to beheaded anyway. My heart goes out to his family. However these fanatical extreemist would have come up with another reason (i.e. the Americans still there in their country) to do something like this. We have to remember that these people do not think like we do. They don't have the same compasion that we do as a hole.

 

[Cruentus]

What people don't realize is that guy was going to beheaded anyway. My heart goes out to his family. However these fanatical extreemist would have come up with another reason (i.e. the Americans still there in their country) to do something like this. We have to remember that these people do not think like we do. They don't have the same compasion that we do as a hole.

I do agree with you there.