But I've largely withdrawn from the thread at this point, because we're going in circles. You've constructed scenarios that support your point of view. McDojos have (in your scenario) a poor business model now because they're not sustainable; in your carefully-constructed scenario, all McDojos have an eat-em-up-and-spit-em-out mentality that guarantees that at some point their poor reputation and customer frustration will drive them out of business. Yet we have no evidence of this; as far as I can tell, the supply of customers is endless. As much as all small businesses have suffered in this economic recession, the chain McDojos seem not to have suffered unduly.
Honestly, I think this is an unfair characterization. The scenarios you're referring to were very specifically created
only to demonstrate that profit is not the only measure of success in business. Really, the scenarios could have been about martial arts schools or any business. They were to counter an assertion made by you many times that at any given time, the business making more money is more successful. I believe it's been very thoroughly established that this is wrong.
In any case, you're still arguing against something I've never said.
You never said that profit is the only measure of success? I'm pretty sure that's not true.
I have not said that the McDojo is a superior training method,
And I've never suggested that you have.
or that they offer great services,
Again, I'm not sure where you believe I've suggested otherwise.
or that some don't engage in questionable practices to lure students in.
Okay. This one... I've said that many are unscrupulous. I don't think I've put any words in your mouth, though.
I have said that the franchised McDojo business model is a successful one. And it is; that's demonstrable by their success and growth. The fact that they're in every strip mall in the USA proves it. I don't see how you can argue against it, it's beyond dispute.
And while you kept it here, honestly, I had no problems with your argument. As I said before, if your point was strictly that a mcdojo can make money, there's really nothing to discuss. It's when you began asserting very strongly that a McDojo is MORE successful than other martial arts schools if it's currently turning a higher profit that I believe you went off the reservation.
But you want very much for the McDojo to not be a 'winner' in any frame of reference, from their actual training to how they treat their customers to their long term sustainability to even how economically successful they are (which you claim they're not). I get that you don't like McDojos. No problem. I'm not a fan of them either, from any standpoint other than their business model.
Truly, I don't care one way or the other about McDojos. I mean, no more than I care about the shady used car salesman down the street or any other questionable businessman. I just happen to think that you're wrong to suggest that a mcdojo is more successful than other profitable martial arts schools simply because it's making more money. Profit is not the only measure of success.
Other than that, I'm not sure what else we have to talk about in this thread. I stated my case, made my points. You keep constructing new scenarios to try to make your subjective dislike of McDojos into an economic proof, and you seem frustrated that I'm not agreeing with you. Can't help it, I can't agree with what isn't correct.
My only frustration is that every response you post makes it clear that you don't understand what I'm trying to say. You counter arguments I've never made, ascribe feelings to me that I don't have, presume things about my position that aren't correct and ultimately seem more interested in being right than engaging in an honest discussion about issues that you yourself brought up. That does frustrate me a little. I'm as frustrated with myself as anything because I'm sure I could be more clear, but I'm at a loss as to how.
JWLuiza, 24fightingchickens is a blog I've read for a long time and enjoy. I'm glad I'm not the only one.