I have an old man walk, and an old man stance. I'll have to post a video of it. I think people will get a good laugh since it's a huge contrast to how I look when doing martial arts.
Having your hands up. Self defence.
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hoshin1600
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im confused as well.
i still have no idea what drop bears point was.
i still have no idea what drop bears point was.
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FriedRice
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My street-fighting stance is a Boxer's Philly Shell/Mayweather's Crab Defense (but a little less aggressive and more relaxed, with a shorter leg stance) while maintaining distance that's a little out of striking range.
Most street altercations, starts out with posturing, choice of words, etc. Raising a high guard with hands up, indicates to bystanders and surveillance cameras that I may be the Aggressor and out looking for a fight. Say it's an argument over a parking space and he's yelling about it.....and so are you, but with your hands up in front of face? That may be conceived as escalation.
Most street altercations, starts out with posturing, choice of words, etc. Raising a high guard with hands up, indicates to bystanders and surveillance cameras that I may be the Aggressor and out looking for a fight. Say it's an argument over a parking space and he's yelling about it.....and so are you, but with your hands up in front of face? That may be conceived as escalation.
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drop bear
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Drop Bear asks whether one should always wear body armor while walking on the street.
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drop bear
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If you aren't sure you are fighting, it would look a lot more normal just to stay out of people kill zones, and check your hair, when that becomes impossible.
Yeah the thinking man or something.
As well as raising a boxing guard and circling round.the demarcated fight area and testing their victims defence with jabs and feints, most drunk or enraged assailants who attack unprovoked, also like to ensure a referee is present to ensure no cheating, and that someone is counting the round length.
Sure, unless the other guy wades in, then there's no circling. We don't always get to make that decision.
That's a strange theory, and one I'm not familiar with. Ever school I've been in teaches some sort of guard, and some sort of defensive stance. Some (mine included) teach how to disguise it, so it is less confrontational, since the larger part of self-defense is avoiding the need for the physical skills.
Okay, I think I'm getting the idea of this thread. I think.
I've never put my guard up before a strike was actually thrown at me in a self defense situation. A fence, sure, not the standard one, though, but one I've drilled forever and like better. I can usually talk down any situation, been very successful at that. (If not, that's okay, too.) I'm more comfortable with the aggressor taking the initiative as I'm a counter fighter, familiar with courts and there seem to be cameras everywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable trading. I so like the element of surprise.
The older one gets the easier it is to talk your way out of bad situations - because you look old. You're really not a social, or monkey dance, threat anymore. I think most older Martial Artists take advantage of this. The flip side is - if they want to prey on older folks we are less likely to have any mercy what-so-ever. And we have far better attorneys and nice medical plans.
I've never put my guard up before a strike was actually thrown at me in a self defense situation. A fence, sure, not the standard one, though, but one I've drilled forever and like better. I can usually talk down any situation, been very successful at that. (If not, that's okay, too.) I'm more comfortable with the aggressor taking the initiative as I'm a counter fighter, familiar with courts and there seem to be cameras everywhere. And I'm perfectly comfortable trading. I so like the element of surprise.
The older one gets the easier it is to talk your way out of bad situations - because you look old. You're really not a social, or monkey dance, threat anymore. I think most older Martial Artists take advantage of this. The flip side is - if they want to prey on older folks we are less likely to have any mercy what-so-ever. And we have far better attorneys and nice medical plans.
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drop bear
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Different methods for different scenarios
True. Waders tended to be ill disciplined that I dealt with. Tended to be a lot easier to with. Those coked up to the eyeballs were a hefty to deal with.
What! But surely your standard mma sparring practice works universally for all situations because everyone you could ever need to fight does so by the rules and limitations of mma sparring?
How could we possibly need different methods for different situations?!
crazydiamond
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I don't know exactly whats the point of this thread, but as a newer MA I will add my two cents.
1) Many of the street fight or altercation videos I see people have their hands down and get really close with verbal words and heat before the first punch comes. I rarely see hands up unless they are ready to rumble - arranged fight - or one goes into a pure fighting stance - fists up and moves in and so the other matches the stance.
2) I am taught by my instructors to avoid a fight and best way is hands up and open palms outward towards opponent and in a very slight lead stance, but basically in the "please stop I don't want any trouble" pose and loud words of "no trouble please back off" . This allows you to check strike -and quickly change to closed fist and wider stance or blocks/parry.
3) The guy in the video seems to have good cover to prevent injury,tight and chin down, good stuff - but he just takes it all defense until moving away. Maybe he has real training and did not want to hurt the other guy - just toying ?
1) Many of the street fight or altercation videos I see people have their hands down and get really close with verbal words and heat before the first punch comes. I rarely see hands up unless they are ready to rumble - arranged fight - or one goes into a pure fighting stance - fists up and moves in and so the other matches the stance.
2) I am taught by my instructors to avoid a fight and best way is hands up and open palms outward towards opponent and in a very slight lead stance, but basically in the "please stop I don't want any trouble" pose and loud words of "no trouble please back off" . This allows you to check strike -and quickly change to closed fist and wider stance or blocks/parry.
3) The guy in the video seems to have good cover to prevent injury,tight and chin down, good stuff - but he just takes it all defense until moving away. Maybe he has real training and did not want to hurt the other guy - just toying ?
Absolutely, on both counts. (I've never had to deal personally with the coked-up ones, but have trained alongside several who could share their experience.)
It's almost a given that those wading in fall into one of two camps: ill-disciplined (perhaps untrained), or over-confident (by their "math" this will be an easy fight).
Would not need different methods against a opponent in the ring. A random street encounter could have various differences in how it is approached.
Yes on the latter for sure. It is amazing what cocaine can do to rationally. As I'm sure that who have trained with, will doubt tell for a fleeting moment, it is damn scary. They can strike out and not even realise any drop out. Managed to walk one out once, at the front door, the mood of the guy just switched to red mist in a heartbeat. Thankfully he was talked down by the front door team. Yeah, an engagement would have been the result with collateral damage. Got admit that even I felt a bit apprensive. Guy had roid muscles.
