God

[qizmoduis]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
Kind of like the same stuff your neighborhood bowling team dreams up.

A saying about glass houses and their residents comes to mind here.

It should be noted that LaVey created his particular vision as a giant honking middle finger pointed directly at mainstream christianity, which he viewed as a horrific cesspit of pure, unadulterated hypocrisy.

It ALSO should be noted very clearly that LaVey Satanists do not worship Satan. In fact, they don't worship anything, as far as I can recall.

 

[Abbax8]

"My problem with christianity is that there is no source other than the bible that gives credit to the bible as truth. The bible says it is the word of god. however, anybody can say that, and people who are trying to become religious leaders often do. I need some other sources here, historical records that don't have a vested interest in promoting christianity."

Have you ever read any of the writings of the Early Church Fathers- also known as Patristic Writings. They cooroborate many of the Churches teaching and give evidence as to what the Church believed in the the earliest times. They cover much of the Tradition part of Catholic teaching.

Peace
Dennis

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
Ok heres a differant question........

"If God is everywhere then why must we travel to church?"

AND

"If God is all merciful and there is a God then shouldnt he forgive you for whatever sin anyway?"

I dunno I just saw them on Tv and thought I might as well get your ideas on those......

Still waiting :shrug:

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
wow now there is some wonderful judgement of someone elses beliefs... with out knowing anything about them... gee surprise surprise... of course i could say that the 10 commandments were made up the same way... but i dont... because they are in nature a nice set of basic laws just as the satanic statements are and as are the satanic rules on earth...

ps its optimus prime not octumus prime... i love the transformers... great series... im trying to collect all the figures from it but thats another thread all together lol

I can remember clearly when we were kids, we made up rules more or less just like those for our tree house.

 

[qizmoduis]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
I can remember clearly when we were kids, we made up rules more or less just like those for our tree house.

You are extraordinarily disrepectful of others' beliefs, whereas you insist that others respect yours. I declare you to be a hypocrite.

I make no pretense of respecting beliefs I have no respect for, nor do I require that of others. You, however, do not follow your own rules.

Can a hypocrite be a True Christian? :rtfm:

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by qizmoduis

Can a hypocrite be a True Christian? :rtfm:

Hasnt stopped people in the past......:shrug:

 

[TLH3rdDan]

i agree with you qiz this guy seems to have one agenda and he has yet to answer some of the real questions that have been asked of him... such as the ones about faith postes way way way back at the begining of this and the one master of blades has on this page... i have a feeling he wont answer them...

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
Ok heres a differant question........

"If God is everywhere then why must we travel to church?"

AND

"If God is all merciful and there is a God then shouldnt he forgive you for whatever sin anyway?"

I dunno I just saw them on Tv and thought I might as well get your ideas on those......

1. No, you don't NEED to go to church to be a good christian. How you live your life determines what you are. I have met many non-christians who live a more christian life than many who call themselves christians.

Going to church is like going to a dojo. It is just a facility. You can train anywhere, in any gym or any room. Granted, you may need the equipment. And Church is in a way, with the "equipment" in a sense, but going to church is not an absolute must. I must emphasize that this is just my view.

2. God is merciful. But are you absolutely truly sincere in your remorse and your quest for redemption for whatever deed you have done? Would you have the slightest doubt? You can't fool anyone. Because you are facing no one, except your own heart, when you seek redemption. You can't pretend. If you think you are pulling a fast one, then you are doomed. It is like Clint Eastwood said " You have to ask yourself. Do I feel lucky today?" So, "do you feel lucky, punk?" God is merciful but you don't get a free past. You can't say you are going to pull this and that and later just ask for forgiveness. Do you think you are going to fool GOD? Wanna bet? So, "Do you feel lucky, punk?"

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
i agree with you qiz this guy seems to have one agenda and he has yet to answer some of the real questions that have been asked of him... such as the ones about faith postes way way way back at the begining of this and the one master of blades has on this page... i have a feeling he wont answer them...

if you want to talk about me, have the guts to address me directly.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
@ ric

You are still missing the point. In the McDojo comparison, you don't reject the martial art. Are you laughing at Karate there? I don't think so. See my point?

If you go oversea and commit a crime, the US consular will give you a list of the local lawyer and that is it!! Don't expect anything more. Seriously!! Unless you are in the military or some capacity that represent the US government.

If you are wrongly imprisoned by a rogue regime, that is a different story. Ordinary running foul of the local penal codes, your American citizenship is worth a xeroxed list of the local attorneys.

Napalm,

I might be missing the boat or point.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
1. No, you don't NEED to go to church to be a good christian. How you live your life determines what you are. I have met many non-christians who live a more christian life than many who call themselves christians.

Going to church is like going to a dojo. It is just a facility. You can train anywhere, in any gym or any room. Granted, you may need the equipment. And Church is in a way, with the "equipment" in a sense, but going to church is not an absolute must. I must emphasize that this is just my view.

2. God is merciful. But are you absolutely truly sincere in your remorse and your quest for redemption for whatever deed you have done? Would you have the slightest doubt? You can't fool anyone. Because you are facing no one, except your own heart, when you seek redemption. You can't pretend. If you think you are pulling a fast one, then you are doomed. It is like Clint Eastwood said " You have to ask yourself. Do I feel lucky today?" So, "do you feel lucky, punk?" God is merciful but you don't get a free past. You can't say you are going to pull this and that and later just ask for forgiveness. Do you think you are going to fool GOD? Wanna bet? So, "Do you feel lucky, punk?"

Took a while but those were some good answers.

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by qizmoduis
You are extraordinarily disrepectful of others' beliefs, whereas you insist that others respect yours. I declare you to be a hypocrite.

I make no pretense of respecting beliefs I have no respect for, nor do I require that of others. You, however, do not follow your own rules.

Can a hypocrite be a True Christian? :rtfm:

There are forum rules. If I were to answer this, the thread would be locked. I suggest you follow the forum rules too.

 

[TLH3rdDan]

i can do that also... you are a jerk and seem to have other motives for your actions... you are always using a condesending tone to anyone who raises a question you dont like... well as ive said my part in this and see no reason to continue this discussion... im sure you will come back with some snide comment and i wish you luck in your endeavors to justify your narrowminded views of other peoples beliefs...

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons
Napalm,

I might be missing the boat or point.

You were saying that if you went oversea and committed a crime, you represented America. I just pointed out that in fact America would disown you the second you ran afoul of the local penal codes. That is a fact. So, no, you don't represent America.

 

[qizmoduis]

I'm reminded of an exchange that took place a few years ago on the rather lively newsgroup, alt.atheism, where I used to be one of the denizens. There was a regular firebreather who was on a constant campaign to convince the heathen residents that they should repent and convert, etc. He once got into an argument regarding divorce rates among various religious groups, and somehow came up with the rather outrageous claim that the divorce rate among christian (<-- note the small 'c') couples was in the neighborhood of 0.1%. In other words, only 1 in 1000 christian couples ever divorced.

Now, of course, that flew in the face of published statistics, that actually show that divorce rates among non-religious couples is ever so insignificantly lower than among religious couples.

It took a while, but he was finally backed into a corner, and had to explain that, his definition of christian explicitly excluded any couple that got divorced, with rare exceptions for people he personally admired.

Since True Christians never get divorced, then obviously someone who got divorced isn't a True Christian. We found that somewhat amusing, and the less restrained expended considerable bandwidth in telling him so, in great detail. Even the religous participants of alt.atheism found this guy to be an embarrassment.

BTW, this style of argument is also know as the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Johnathan Napalm
There are forum rules. If I were to answer this, the thread will be locked. I suggest you follow the forum rules too.

Everybody do everybody a favour here and try not to get the thread locked. I'm enjoying reading these posts and hearing all your views BUT if this thread does get locked........You will have to answer to ME!

lol, did that sound scary or what?

 

[Johnathan Napalm]

Originally posted by TLH3rdDan
i can do that also... you are a jerk and seem to have other motives for your actions... you are always using a condesending tone to anyone who raises a question you dont like... well as ive said my part in this and see no reason to continue this discussion... im sure you will come back with some snide comment and i wish you luck in your endeavors to justify your narrowminded views of other peoples beliefs...

If I have a hidden motive, I like to know what it is too.

The thing is, others have posted extensive materials and proofs. And guess what? People keep going back to square one, running in circle. Why don't you read Paul's and Abbax's posts? Those are extensive and concrete. Yet, people don't seem to bother to read them. And we have the same old things being asked in just another way. Going round and round. So?

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by Master of Blades


P.s Can we have no religeon bashing here.....I just want to here views etc :shrug:

I should also add belief bashing as a big no no. :shrug:

 

[qizmoduis]

Originally posted by Master of Blades
I should also add belief bashing as a big no no. :shrug:

Bashing, no. Well constructed criticism should be welcome, however.

 

[Master of Blades]

Originally posted by qizmoduis
Bashing, no. Well constructed criticism should be welcome, however.

Well you got me there.......