When it's left out, Is more like someone running towards you and you punch but you don't let the punch collapse or return, so your punch turns into a pole that prevents your opponent from continuing to move forward. You aren't posing with it, but you are creating a "stiff arm" after the punch.
Yes this is what it felt like from the impact on my end. When I ran into someone's fist. There was nothing there, I moved in, and whatever I moved into didn't move. It didn't pop my head back. Shuffle step into a staff end, and that's what the punch felt like.
@1:33 Black thinks he's safe from a kick, but if Red brings his rear foot to his lead foot, then he will have range for a side kick. A side kick is going to have more distance than that low kick to the leg. The low kick to the leg is not the longest range kick in the tool box.
He also bases his Safe Zone on the kicking ability of his opponent. Which is what I was saying earlier.
Long fist doesn't have this issue because the same movement we use to puch is the same movement we use to hook an incoming kick or to move an incoming kick out of the way. In application Jow Ga long fist punches start either at the bottom or mid range so that the direction of the punch can be changed in the event a kick comes at the of the punch, the punch can then dive to deal with an incoming kick.
If Red brings his rear foot to his lead foot, then it can be a telegraph like with your sanda guy.
Just want to clarify this from a BJJ perspective.You say that this is a safe zone and I'm telling you that it isn't for the the very reason you are stating above. Because a good kicker can reach you.
1. Anything can be telegraphed
This is not what happens when you bring your rear foot to your lead leg. If your lead leg is 6ft away from wall, then it will still be 6ft away from the wall when you bring your rear foot close to your lead leg.
Yes I get it, that is exactly what I call "stop punch", the purpose is to STOP something from charging into you, or to just maintain distance. The more they comitt to charging into you, the more damage do they take.
That's different from striking because many times that step is the attack and not to close the distance. The concept that my feet do not move when attacking is not a practical one for striking. So to base "safe zone" on that would be misleading.
This would be more accurate than "Safe zone" Base the zone on rreaction time from less time to more time and then stick "Safe Zone" someone on the end at a distance where the attacker is unable to attack.
lol I might have a video showing this. But yeah if they go straight back they can escape the 45. I walk back a lot and it's more difficult to get that 45 dree angle.
This is what I'm wondering what the extended punches may represent. A "Stop punch" where the arm is left extended for a short amount of time to prevent people trying to run through a punch., Or to run interference to prevent or delay an incoming strike long enough to recover to a safer position.
I've said to step (change) when the opponent cannot change (double weighted), making non telegraphing moot. A step may be hidden. I may control when you attack by changing ranges.
I know, you are explaining a half step. However when you bring your rear foot to your lead leg, I can bring my lead foot to my rear leg (action/reaction principle) maintaining the distance.
You are already in the fight zone if you can strike/reach the opponent without stepping. The fight zone is not dependent on whether you step, only that you are in reach.
Safe zone means we are not able to brawl or trade punches. The opponent's necessity to step gives me more reaction time to maintain the safe zone by also moving.
Then get the opponent to move in. Again, you may control them by switching between ranges. Double weight the opponent before stepping.
We are just going to disagree with on this one.
No, I agree with Randy and simply call that the fight zone, where they can reach each other without stepping. I agree with both of them on the long range safe distance.
I don't agree with you that there is only one fight distance.
Where do I say this?
I think this would actually go against basic principles in karate at least. Sport fighting aside, karate wants to close distance as quickly as possible, not keep the other person at a distance. Keeping them at a distance would fall more into " fighting " rather than entering in and destroying. At least by karate principles. Even the blocking techniques in karate are designed to move you in closer. Everything about traditional kata is entering in and breaking the other person quickly. It's the opposite of what a stop punch is for. There are spots in karate kata that have the attacker crashing into a punch, but the ones I know of are aimed at the liver, ribs, solar plexus. They're not trying to "stop punch"
I don't think keeping someone at distance goes against the concept of "entering in and destroying" in terms of striking there is a limit to how close you can get before you start reducing your options for striking and then things will enter the grappling arena. "Keeping someone at distance" should be thought of as "Keeping someone in the range of your strengths." My strength is striking, so if things get too close then I need to create distance to get someone back into my striking range.
You are in a vulnerable position when you "hold the extension of the punch" in the fight zone. There are many KOs in that position to support this.
There's a correct way to hold and extended punch in a fight and a wrong way to do it. LOL it's people like you where I want to just put gloves and hit you and say "It's like that" lol
You are in a vunerable position when you are in the fight zone period, which is why it's not called the "safe zone"
