Can Anyone Identify This Technique For Me?

[GaryR]

You can do anything real-time in Training. The environment is different to one of panic or reaction. However, theres no need to continue that line of discussion.

Of course, I include real-time training a term that includes RBSD - adrenal response training, which triggers such panic/reaction and works the methods accordingly...but thats another thread for another day.


I’m not implying it, Im expressly saying it’s better in most situations than having a closed fist the whole times. Even the tips of the fingers can be used to intercept and control an arm/elbow/wrist and the throw a person all in one smoothe motion-while simultaneously striking. The fingers aren’t “floppy” they have enough structure to do the job, and adjust if in harm’s way without thought. I highly doubt you can do the above, it is a bit higher level, and takes more time to be more dynamic and functional. Like I said, I’m sorry if that offends you, it’s just a fact.

Perfect quote material. I can, in fact, intercept a strike with an open hand. To control, grab, push, restrain, or otherwise touch an arm, elbow, or wrist - Before either taking the person down, or using it as a means to strike them. But I use the point just at the base of the fingers. Its easier to grab with. I see no benefit over that to using the fingers themselves when theyre a smaller area, which is more privy to miss. In using the center of the hand, just at the start of the fingers, i have a minimal chance of missing. I can also do it consistently. Amazingly, i dont do it with your method.

I am glad you enjoyed it. That's why I said "even the fingers..." Again you took me out of context and ran with it. I agree it is easier to grab with the the rest of the hand/palm, the fingers are and just an extra tweak, and a bit advanced, its better to have more square inches available to functionally intercept than not, in the chaos of something, who knows how much every inch will give you. The video has examples...

Ah - So it takes about three years to learn it. There we go.
But see, if i learnt it three years ago, id have gotten so used to it of course id find it effective.

Again, I did not say that, I said you would know a difference by then, not that you would have mastered it. But yes, by that time it would be more effective than a person who started to learn another punching method at the same time all other things being equal.

Perhaps this was all an elaborate conspiracy to get inside your house?

Haha, I'm sure.

Cheers,

G

 

[Cyriacus]

Of course, I include real-time training a term that includes RBSD - adrenal response training, which triggers such panic/reaction and works the methods accordingly...but thats another thread for another day.

Aha

I am glad you enjoyed it. That's why I said "even the fingers..." Again you took me out of context and ran with it. I agree it is easier to grab with the the rest of the hand/palm, the fingers are and just an extra tweak, and a bit advanced, its better to have more square inches available to functionally intercept than not, in the chaos of something, who knows how much every inch will give you. The video has examples...

I really didnt. You said i likely didnt know how to do that kind of thing - Amazingly, I can. Without using your method. Because there are other functional methods which dont needed to be compared to the oracle which is yours.

Again, I did not say that, I said you would know a difference by then, not that you would have mastered it. But yes, by that time it would be more effective than a person who started to learn another punching method at the same time all other things being equal.

So how many years would it take for me to learn it, if i knew a difference after three years? How many years would i have to train just to use this one strike, when i could be throwing a strong punch after a month or two, which stands only to improve without needing to be 'learnt' over the course of however many years we're talking here?
And again, this states, that punching is ineffectual compared to this almighty method that takes over three years to master. Which happens to be yours.

 

[K-man]

I agree, it can put your fingers at more risks. But if you train correctly, and have enough skill the benefits of an open hand far outweigh the risks. Before impact the hand can become a palm strike, a knife edge strike, a finger strike, or a punch at numerous angles with torque, etc. This is a significant advantage, I guarantee you. If you think differently you are simply out of your depth, and your system/style is severely lacking. ---Sorry.

Anyone who has an opinion different to you appears to be simply out of their depth!

“Well, I'm not going to apologize for my talent, training, skill and experience level. As I said before, I WOULD put my material against anyone's in the world (with the exceptions of ground-fighting and weapons work). Most of communication is non-verbal, much context is lost through this venue, I get along with 99% of people in person, so perhaps you can reconsider giving me the benefit of the doubt? “

Perhaps if you showed something that demonstrated your perceived talent, training, skill and experience we might be more convinced. I have never come across anyone blowing their own trumpet so hard.

“In many cases, in a combative context-- I do know better than most everyone else. Again, I won't apologize for this, and I am willing to be proven wrong, I won't hold my breath, but if so the beer is on me . “

Maybe, against inexperienced martial artists you may know better but I have not seen anything so far that suggests to me you have any more skill than most martial artists I come across and you are way below the level of those I train with regularly.

True, and if those of us who are not combatively ignorant can help each other improve and keep each other sharp—we can ameliorate some of the ignorance. As I said, I do know better than most-thus I can be of a lot of help, and I am happy to do that.

I'm sure you don't mean this. By "help each other" I read "I can help you". The arrogance of the second sentence is quite breathtaking.

Well, I'm sorry but I don't have time to back it with volumes of "[]assuring information" --you also failed to specify WHAT information? I am one of the few that is NON-ANNONYMOUS here, and will put my money where my mouth is so to speak. Unlike yourself, I will not equivocate by saying "show me" is not the global standard. Again, I won't apologize-- but my methods are among the greatest. But, I didn't get there on my own, I had a lot of help, luck, and work behind it among other things. Moreover, YES, many others are foolish by comparison. I can point out where, why, how, and demonstrate how to improve--if you think that is preaching, fine-I consider it sharing and discussing.

What you have posted so far and what I have seen on your website does not show your methods are among the greatest. Their are fundamental flaws in your technique that experienced instructors could drive a truck through.

I’m not implying it, Im expressly saying it’s better in most situations than having a closed fist the whole times. Even the tips of the fingers can be used to intercept and control an arm/elbow/wrist and the throw a person all in one smoothe motion-while simultaneously striking. The fingers aren’t “floppy” they have enough structure to do the job, and adjust if in harm’s way without thought. I highly doubt you can do the above, it is a bit higher level, and takes more time to be more dynamic and functional. Like I said, I’m sorry if that offends you, it’s just a fact.

You probably doubt anyone could do what you do but it is always going to be difficult to survive in a real situation using flawed technique. (And if that offends you, it's just a fact!)

Which I think is a problem, and a bulwark to more objective discussion, and helps the signal to noise ratio. People who use their real names tend to feel more accountable for what they say. It’s just a fact of the internet and boards. So if you’re going to call someone out, I think it cowardly to hide behind a keyboard and alias.

Read the rules of the forum. If you don't like them, please feel free to leave.

Many teach degraded content, part of the issue, true. I associate preaching with trying to push a “faith” on people—faith is a certainty without actual knowledge or evidence. When having a discussion I do the opposite of preach, I elaborate, and demonstrate, and offer to assist via video.

You have been preaching to us in virtually every one of your posts. In fact you seem have taken a leaf out of Mohammad Ali's book. "I am the greatest." Sorry to disappoint, but, you are not!

Thank you, but I do actually think and my experience tells me that in many contexts, my way IS the better way. I’m sorry if that offends you, but you really have no facts to the contrary.

I'm sorry, but saying "your way IS best" is an utter nonsense. Worse than that, what you have shown is not even at the lower end of the dozens of SD an MA DVDs I have on my shelf.

But like I said I am here to share, so I ripped my more than decade old instructional DVD into a web clip to illustrate some of my points as time goes on. The video is around an hour, and is packed with info and principals. Trained correctly one could spend a year or more simply learning the basic ideas and execution behind what is displayed. The mechanics, fluidity, real-time application only improves exponentially with time and training-it may take some time to make it work better than your current art (which many here have decades of practice in). It’s hard to re-wire someone’s mechanics and responses-especially the more experienced they are. But it can be done, incrementally at first, the as a whole, but that takes more hands on instruction, as everyone and every style had vast differences. If you do something similar to whats displayed look and play with the differences, build on that in understanding.

I can assure you it would take more than a life time for your material to improve on anything we do in our training.

I have improved quite a bit in a decade, and looking back, I would approach a beginner DVD a bit differently.

Thank heaven for that. You really weren't all that good ten years ago were you?

I will re-do the video at some point when I have time. It’s just not my main thing, I have a legal career to worry about.

Mmm! I pity your poor clients if you spend as much time telling them what a great lawyer you are as you spend telling us how great a martial artist you are.

This instructional DVD was initially done to leave for my military students when I deployed. I later decided to sell them to make it worth my time, and quite frankly it is invaluable information for someone wanting to hone their combatives with better mechanics/movement/power & principals--even though I've already made many improvements since. The mechanics are also a bit more - mechanical, more smooth and explosive application is taught later-and some can be seen in near the end of the DVD--there is also a simpler method at the end (bad sequence I know). The punches I talked about here are also not shown-that is more advanced.

Quite frankly, the video you posted is not invaluable. In the hour I spent watching your decade old tape there was just one technique that I would teach, and already do. The rest is badly flawed.

Furthermore, If anyone feels like critiquing please keep it constructive and non-conclusionary. Moreover, you should be able to adequately perform/apply the methods real-time before you can compare and be taken seriously.

So, what you are saying is unless we can perform your techniques real time, which you failed to do in your DVD, you won't take anyone's critique seriously.

Note; I am not giving anyone permission to edit, re-produce, or re-post the clip anywhere else.

Apart from "Funniest Home Videos", where else would we want to post it?

Here is the link, enjoy. I will keep it up until my bandwidth is maxed-it’s a very long clip. It may take time to download (about half a gigabyte.)

http://www.flowingcombat.net/fc1_2000a.mov.3gp

Although I said I was out of the original discussion, I have to come back in with this clip in case anyone with less experience than you thinks it is good technique. I made three pages of notes while I was watching this clip but I won't bore everyone with all of it.

Firstly there was conflicting advice. Initially you were walking straight into the attacker, then two minutes later you are saying you should move to the side. The way you demonstrated moving in would result in physically clashing. Fine if you are bigger and heavier, but not suitable if you are facing a bigger attacker. The other flaw in the video is that the attacker is not attacking with intent. He is standing there allowing you to do what you like to him. When you moved to the side I liked it when you demonstrated not stepping away, but when you demonstrated the 'right' way your attacker wasn't moved off his line at all.

Then you spoke of peripheral vision. Fantastic. Peripheral vision is critical, but then you said, "look over his shoulder". That is not peripheral vision. That is just not looking at your attacker's hands or face or what ever.

Then we get to your development of power by pushing with the back foot flat on the floor and turning from the waist without lifting the back heel off the floor. Locking the body like that only allows about 50% of power to be delivered. This came up again later when you were discussing 'linking'. I can now understand why you said in a previous post that your front punch was more powerful than a reverse strike. Using your linking system you would be lucky to deliver even half the available power of a properly executed reverse strike.

Now we come to your fighting stance. You would get your head knocked off in all but a sporting contest. Earlier you said the chin should be pulled in but in you demo you had it stuck out asking to be hit. And, you don't tuck your chin in by tilting your head forward. That compromises your centre. You tuck your chin by lifting the crown of your head. Then your stance was too far from your ribs. Apart from the inherent physical weakness of your upper body, your ribs are just asking to be hit. I don't like kicking that high but even I could do serious damage to anyone who offered such an unprotected target.

You then said that you put most or even all you weight on the back foot. That's just plain wrong. A good fighting stance will have pretty much even weight distribution that will allow quick movement in any direction. If you're on your back foot and an attacker pushes in, you have nowhere to go.

Then you contradicted yourself again and started demonstrating 100% weight on the front foot. ??? One of the strikes you demonstrated could not physically have been delivered without lifting your heel, but in the video we couldn't see your feet.

Next we come to 'push hands'. Once again I believe you technique is terrible. Your arms are rigid instead of absorbing and I would not be pushing out. You would be hit by your partner's free hand. One really interesting thing you did was to step back, pulling your partner's hand down and firing your hand to your partner's face to "force the block", your words. When I was describing my 'predetermined response' in the thread on bunkai, you told me that that was choreography.

A bit later and you were talking of "springing up off the ground". I would have thought that was the exact opposite of what internal martial arts would teach.

I wrote down heaps more comments but I think I have posted enough to demonstrate why I don't like your material and I don't think you have a lot to offer any of the more experienced guys on this forum. :asian:

 

[Gnarlie]

I have to agree with K-Man on the point that both the presentation and the techniques presented in that video are left wanting when compared with others on the market.

Sloppy spelling errors, contradicting concepts and conflicting messages in their delivery, inconsistency of technique, no real time demonstrations and altogether too much talk for the relatively small amount of information that was actually being delivered. Those factors combined make it a boring, strenuous and unrewarding watch. I'm glad it is not a DVD I paid for.

The 'best' SD intructors have a few qualities in common which were not present here: humility, ability to inspire others, strong technique demonstration, with minimal flaws acknowledged and addressed, full speed demonstrations under pressure and concise information delivery which keeps the pace lively. Often there is an avenue for viewers to ask questions, removing the need for the instructor to waffle on.

I am your ideal target market - someone with an active interest in developing and teaching SD technique, and sorry Gary, but even I found myself reaching for the fast foward button on many occasions. It's boring, dude! Watch it in fast forward and it is painfully obvious why - it's 60% talk, and repetitious, conflicted talk at that.

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[Supra Vijai]

You can also use the spike to control their arm, given how close you're willing to get. It's the nicer way of defending with it. Obviously the normative is to ram the hand with the spike, especially at the fingers. Let the energy of their swing help self-destruct that pretty ball of joints they have.

Ok, I responded to the rest of this on the other thread you posted this response on. If unsure, see here: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sh...list-and-The-Specialist&p=1500306#post1500306

I did manage to miss your take on the spike there however. Wow, really???? A punch comes in and you jam it with deadly ninjer precision using your elbow to "spike"? For the record, that has completely missed the point of what Cyriacus and I were referring to with the concept of a spike. It's a defensive barrier that's very very gross motor and primal i.e: covering your damn head against incoming punches, end of story. Using the spike to strike is very very very very very very (did I mention very?) gross motor and is used against the torso of your opponent to buy you some valuable space or a split second in order to move away and reassess, not break their fingers with it! I don't see how such a fine motor action would be the normative by any means. Where are you getting that from? I for one, don't like getting punched in the elbow thank you.

 

[Cyriacus]

Ok, I responded to the rest of this on the other thread you posted this response on. If unsure, see here: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sh...list-and-The-Specialist&p=1500306#post1500306

I did manage to miss your take on the spike there however. Wow, really???? A punch comes in and you jam it with deadly ninjer precision using your elbow to "spike"? For the record, that has completely missed the point of what Cyriacus and I were referring to with the concept of a spike. It's a defensive barrier that's very very gross motor and primal i.e: covering your damn head against incoming punches, end of story. Using the spike to strike is very very very very very very (did I mention very?) gross motor and is used against the torso of your opponent to buy you some valuable space or a split second in order to move away and reassess, not break their fingers with it! I don't see how such a fine motor action would be the normative by any means. Where are you getting that from? I for one, don't like getting punched in the elbow thank you.

And it kinda relies on the person punching your elbow.

 

[GaryR]

First, 98% of your entire post is Horesh#t;You are a goju ryu practitioner and have no idea what you're looking at or how to apply it. Before that video was filmed I had already pressure tested my material and instructed three different instructor level Goju practitioners. One who had a big school,and had been around for 30+ years. I'd be willing to put money on it that I could not only best you, but your teacher.Your notes would be academic, how about a video critique? Demonstrate you aren't talking out your *** and can actually apply my methods sufficiently enough for comparison??? If you can't do so, you are just mouth-boxing. As far as I'm concerned your the peanut gallery.

Although I said I was out of the original discussion, I have to come back in with this clip in case anyone with less experience than you thinks it is good technique. I made three pages of notes while I was watching this clip but I won't bore everyone with all of it.

Like, I said, before you go giving B.S advice to noobs, how about you demonstrate you are even capable of making that comparison? How about you post your material, I will rip it apart via video and a partner. You have 3 years of experience in your chosen art, this is laughable. :BSmeter:

Firstly there was conflicting advice. Initially you were walking straight into the attacker, then two minutes later you are saying you should move to the side. The way you demonstrated moving in would result in physically clashing.

Of course getting off the line is crucial. But what is also being taught is to keep one's structure in the face of attack. The beginner will have more trouble getting off the line the first day, and one can't rely on that saving them, structure should be good enough to hold up to a collision with someone else.

Fine if you are bigger and heavier, but not suitable if you are facing a bigger attacker.

Actually if you will note the first guy in the video was significantly bigger than I, he is a power-lifter, and fitness trainer - a retired Senior NCO. He could bench press 450 pounds at the time. Eddie could come at me full speed at force, and I could stop him dead in his tracks - I would'nt in real-life-but its a good structure test and tool. I have also done the same with bigger guys - probably 300 pounds is the largest. here are his words---

"
Excellent instructor! Awesome martial art style! I have been in the military for over 18 years and have traveled the world. I have searched for a style that works in real combat situations. Never have I seen a system as effective as this. Within eight weeks of study under Gary and Chris, I have learned more about actual "real world" self defense than all of my years of other styles. This "dynamic duo" is a wealth of information and motivation. If you have seen my picture on this web site, you know that I am a big man. I stand six feet tall and weigh 240 pounds. I bench press 450 pounds, have 19 1/2 inch arms, and am very fast for my size. Gary is 100 pounds lighter than me. Yet he can instantaneously stop my attack and send me flying across the room. If he can stop me, he can stop almost anyone! I encourage everybody that wants to learn real world self defense to contact Gary. This is the real deal! At last, my search is over.
PS: I have a five-year-old Son. As with any parent, I want what is best for him. My wife and I are teaching him how to live and thrive in today and tomorrow's society. When he gets old enough, I will be able to pass on one of the most valuable skills that he will ever learn...survival! All of the education, values, and spiritual lessons will be lost if he can't survive a hostile attack. Hopefully it will never happen. But, if it ever comes, he will have a warrior's skill and be equipped to deal with it.
I want to thank Gary in advance for the chance to pass this gift on to my Son.

Eddie Mcgee-personal best fitness training"

The other flaw in the video is that the attacker is not attacking with intent. He is standing there allowing you to do what you like to him. When you moved to the side I liked it when you demonstrated not stepping away, but when you demonstrated the 'right' way your attacker wasn't moved off his line at all.

I agree that the attacker is not attacking with more intent, pre red-man suit days, it was hard to get them to come at me with alot of power. However, this is a beginner video-not a demonstration, although now near the end I would probably put more intent / realism into it with more gear and dynamic scenario drills, this will be in later volumes.

It was probably a mistake not getting off the line on the other occasion, or I was highlighting something else, I would have to look back..

Then you spoke of peripheral vision. Fantastic. Peripheral vision is critical, but then you said, "look over his shoulder". That is not peripheral vision. That is just not looking at your attacker's hands or face or what ever.

I never look directly at the attacker hands in real training, or face, that is ridiculous-more words your putting in my mouth and assumptions. You can look over the shoulder and still have much of his body in your peripheral - It is a drilled method, and the peripheral IS used, I'm sorry if you cannot do so, but perhaps you are confused. I do it a bit differently now, a little neurophysiology goes a long way.

Then we get to your development of power by pushing with the back foot flat on the floor and turning from the waist without lifting the back heel off the floor. Locking the body like that only allows about 50% of power to be delivered.

The foot cannot possibly be "flat" on the floor, unless one is flatfooted. The mechanics drill is highlighting really the turning of the knee/waist/arm, etc in concert to create a link. Driving from the heel allow the power / connection to develop turning better on that pivot point. Outside of the drill the whole foot is used and weight can roll forward as you move forward - it is done later in the video, but since I mostly drag the foot to keep ground connection the power link is more subtle - again you have no real reference for this training. I assure you I can probably demonstrate 150-200% of power compared to your goju methods.

This came up again later when you were discussing 'linking'. I can now understand why you said in a previous post that your front punch was more powerful than a reverse strike. Using your linking system you would be lucky to deliver even half the available power of a properly executed reverse strike.

Again, you are simply wrong. You making assumptions from the other side of the globe. You also have not seen/felt me actually HIT much of anything very hard. As I said my method (the IMA method) can punch much harder than any reverse punch - I can even do so from the front hand or back.

Now we come to your fighting stance. You would get your head knocked off in all but a sporting contest.

I have done sporting contests, I have bounced at nightclubs, I have saved my own life with my material, and have put my stance against more pressure than you or your teacher likely ever have. I could care less about a "sporting contest" I like to stay in reality, I'm not much of a martial sport guy, I like the martial. Again you are plainly wrong.

Earlier you said the chin should be pulled in but in you demo you had it stuck out asking to be hit. And, you don't tuck your chin in by tilting your head forward. That compromises your centre. You tuck your chin by lifting the crown of your head.

True, I agree I did tend to lead with my head-it is a posture issue, I also have some scoliosis, and lower back problems from Iraq. Your preaching to the choir with lifting the crown etc, but I could/can hold my center just fine thanks.

Then your stance was too far from your ribs. Apart from the inherent physical weakness of your upper body, your ribs are just asking to be hit. I don't like kicking that high but even I could do serious damage to anyone who offered such an unprotected target.

I disagree, and my experience proves you to be false. The arms are out from the ribs because the arms are in a significantly better structural position to absorb/redirect an attack - and produce power. But as you demonstrated before by not fathoming me being able to stop an attacker much larger in his tracks (not the best idea of course) - you have demonstrated you are ignorant to the "why" and "how" behind my arm position, and that you and your teachers are incapable of that level of skill. You are way out of your depth I promise you.

You then said that you put most or even all you weight on the back foot. That's just plain wrong. A good fighting stance will have pretty much even weight distribution that will allow quick movement in any direction. If you're on your back foot and an attacker pushes in, you have nowhere to go.

This quote just displays your ignorance, your lack of skill, and your inexperience. A fighting "stance" is a dynamic thing that can be explosively and instantly changed. (this was not in the video). The weight is on the back foot because 99% of the time I do not have to move backwards, this is a bad strategy. I move in, off the line if time, and force them off balance at the same time (and strike) regardless of my "stance". If the weight is on the back there is more mass/force to move into the front foot -drive forward /at angle/ and/or force them off center.

If one needs to move backward the concept which you don't understand "fajing" is used to explosively and almost instantly shift the weight and execute a powerful, smooth and effective method. This was not on the video, somethings you fail to understand are built in for an AH-HA moment later-which usually comes after working extensively with a partner. If the attacker pushes in I have plenty of places to go, perhaps you could benefit from some "push hands" training - I could show you hundreds of ways why your completely wrong. Ideally though one should MOVE, and not "hold ground" - but you don't always have time.

Additionally the weight is shifted to the front, or visa verse with an explosive waist shake back and forth, there is a lot of torque sent downward and bounced back up. Xinygyichuan does this particularly well. Many practitioners of such could prove you wrong as well.

Then you contradicted yourself again and started demonstrating 100% weight on the front foot. ??? One of the strikes you demonstrated could not physically have been delivered without lifting your heel, but in the video we couldn't see your feet.

If you start with the weight on the back, and shift to the front, you eventually need to shift the weight back, after all, the power should be continuous, and the strikes explosively move with the torque of the waist,, and power from the root.

All of the strikes I demonstrated can be physically delivered with extreme effectiveness. Some times my foot does come off the ground - it is required for some methods, after all, the legs are great for throwing, kicking, trapping, springing off, etc.

Next we come to 'push hands'. Once again I believe you technique is terrible. Your arms are rigid instead of absorbing and I would not be pushing out.

Again, this is where you are simply ignorant of the "why" behind this beginner method of push hands, later it gets much more fluid, dynamic, and engages both hands and the legs move freely. I will link a clip later illustrating this a bit. I said in the begging the movements are more rigid. The arms are more rigid to teach the student relaxed structure that will ward off a 300 pound attacker in his tracks and bounce him off. This is the idea of "Peng" and again you are incapable of doing such thing likely well at any level. Perhaps you should ask more "why" questions before coming to conclusions on my training methods.

You would be hit by your partner's free hand.

Well thank you Captain obvious, the training drill was not meant to be a contest about using each others free hands to hit. The drill was about teaching Peng, structure, turning the waist and rooting their energy when the peng is pushed on. There are countless benefits, and push hands goes way beyond your level, given time I'll post videos. You can let the public judge for themselves, I would love to see your videos in turn.

One really interesting thing you did was to step back, pulling your partner's hand down and firing your hand to your partner's face to "force the block", your words. When I was describing my 'predetermined response' in the thread on bunkai, you told me that that was choreography.

I didn't deny its natural for one to want to cover the face in response to an attack, but again this DRILL is meant to to one to use the peng/structure with both hands and change it up. The same method works while moving off the line forward, etc.

A bit later and you were talking of "springing up off the ground". I would have thought that was the exact opposite of what internal martial arts would teach.

That's your misperception, you don't have to spring up high, just into a target, following through taking them down/ off their center. Another quote that displays your ignorance of what I do-and IMA does.

I wrote down heaps more comments but I think I have posted enough to demonstrate why I don't like your material and I don't think you have a lot to offer any of the more experienced guys on this forum. :asian:

You should have spent the time attempting to learn the methods before you talk out of the A@@. It takes a good while to reap the benefits, especially since your Goju has you seriously Mal-trained. Thus far you haven't provided anything of value, nor have you demonstrated you are nothing but the peanut gallery with no experience in my arts/system. I have pressure tested / taught countless other instructors, special operators, special agents, and competitive boxers to name a few. I have more to offer the instructors here than you can contemplate.

You have three years of training in your chosen system. Your a newb in your chosen art, and are WAY out of your depth. Again, lets see your video?? This is laughable. I bet I wouldn't have to put my tea down to demonstrate why and how your methods are grossly inadequate. If you would like to fly out sometime when I have the extra $ I will reimburse you for your plane ticket if you can demonstrate that my methods are not significantly superior (in a friendly way of course-with rules). It will be filmed and posted regardless of result. Also feel free to bring your teacher.

best,

Gary

 

[GaryR]

I have to agree with K-Man on the point that both the presentation and the techniques presented in that video are left wanting when compared with others on the market.

First, your primary art is Tae Kwon Do - which I call tae kwon JOKE, combatively. TDJ is almost single-highhandedly responsible for the degradation of quality in the USA and all over the world. There might be better vids on the market, that vid is old and in no way comprehensive, it is also missing some crucial "flowing motion drills". Like I said before, unless and until you can show me why and how other material is more effective you are simply part of the peanut gallery.

Sloppy spelling errors, contradicting concepts and conflicting messages in their delivery, inconsistency of technique, no real time demonstrations and altogether too much talk for the relatively small amount of information that was actually being delivered. Those factors combined make it a boring, strenuous and unrewarding watch. I'm glad it is not a DVD I paid for.

Spelling errors is your fist complaint, how petty, lol. I have more important things to do than spell check my posts.

You have failed to explicate and demonstrate how and why my concepts are conflicting? The information if trained correctly could last your years. You are simply ignorant as to how and why, I guarantee it.

The 'best' SD intructors have a few qualities in common which were not present here: humility, ability to inspire others, strong technique demonstration, with minimal flaws acknowledged and addressed, full speed demonstrations under pressure and concise information delivery which keeps the pace lively. Often there is an avenue for viewers to ask questions, removing the need for the instructor to waffle on.

Humility went out the window here when people decided to be ignorant jack@!es. It was not a DVD where I wanted people to ask questions, the questions are address in class/person. Demonstrations were purposely not put under extreme pressure, you don't throw that a newbs right away, they can get hurt, especially without in person help.

I am your ideal target market - someone with an active interest in developing and teaching SD technique, and sorry Gary, but even I found myself reaching for the fast foward button on many occasions. It's boring, dude! Watch it in fast forward and it is painfully obvious why - it's 60% talk, and repetitious, conflicted talk at that.

That's because you fail to understand what and why is being taught, and you also failed to learn it and surely couldn't apply it anywhere near my level for more than a decade. Whats displayed is VERY basic, white belt stuff. Sorry its boring!! But thousands of people have found it usefu (I used to advertise in Black belt magazine) even those in your "target market", again I remind you I have trained instructors in EVERY art you have trained in. I'm sorry but this is way above your level, your background looks like a TKD joke. Another peanut gallery comment. I have a few friends working NATO in Germany, if I'm ever around I'd be happy to buy you a beer and embarrass you on video. You can also bring your teacher.

Best,

Gary



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[K-man]

First, 98% of your entire post is Horesh#t;You are a goju ryu practitioner and have no idea what you're looking at or how to apply it. Before that video was filmed I had already pressure tested my material and instructed three different instructor level Goju practitioners. One who had a big school,and had been around for 30+ years. I'd be willing to put money on it that I could not only best you, but your teacher.Your notes would be academic, how about a video critique? Demonstrate you aren't talking out your *** and can actually apply my methods sufficiently enough for comparison??? If you can't do so, you are just mouth-boxing. As far as I'm concerned your the peanut gallery.

Don't you love the hypocrisy? You were the one that knew all about Goju when we were discussing kata and bunkai in the Iain Abernenthy thread. Despite the fact that you compressively demonstrated your lack of knowledge of kata there, you claimed to be an expert in the field. I don't claim to be an expert. Now as to 30+ year Goju instructors still being able to learn something, great. It just goes to show that they are prepared to learn from someone, unlike you.

The rest of your para is just offensive and against forum rules.

Like, I said, before you go giving B.S advice to noobs, how about you demonstrate you are even capable of making that comparison? How about you post your material, I will rip it apart via video and a partner. You have 3 years of experience in your chosen art, this is laughable. :BSmeter:

I seem to recall it was you who posted the video and asked for a critique. Could I ask if this video was the same one you released on a different forum some years back. From the critique of that video it would seem to be the same and I doubt that even you could produce two terrible videos within such a short space of time. Three years of experience? Interesting concept. I will admit to only six years of aikido but my karate goes back much further.

Of course getting off the line is crucial. But what is also being taught is to keep one's structure in the face of attack. The beginner will have more trouble getting off the line the first day, and one can't rely on that saving them, structure should be good enough to hold up to a collision with someone else.

No, that is not what you demonstrate. What you demonstrate is moving inside in the path of the attacker. A beginner can be shown how to get off the line the first day. They are certainly not going to be able to move inside an attack safely, first day. But you didn't pitch this video at beginners. You put it up so we could learn from your video.

Actually if you will note the first guy in the video was significantly bigger than I, he is a power-lifter, and fitness trainer - a retired Senior NCO. He could bench press 450 pounds at the time. Eddie could come at me full speed at force, and I could stop him dead in his tracks - I would'nt in real-life-but its a good structure test and tool. I have also done the same with bigger guys - probably 300 pounds is the largest. here are his words---

"
Excellent instructor! Awesome martial art style! I have been in the military for over 18 years and have traveled the world. I have searched for a style that works in real combat situations. Never have I seen a system as effective as this. Within eight weeks of study under Gary and Chris, I have learned more about actual "real world" self defense than all of my years of other styles. This "dynamic duo" is a wealth of information and motivation. If you have seen my picture on this web site, you know that I am a big man. I stand six feet tall and weigh 240 pounds. I bench press 450 pounds, have 19 1/2 inch arms, and am very fast for my size. Gary is 100 pounds lighter than me. Yet he can instantaneously stop my attack and send me flying across the room. If he can stop me, he can stop almost anyone! I encourage everybody that wants to learn real world self defense to contact Gary. This is the real deal! At last, my search is over.
PS: I have a five-year-old Son. As with any parent, I want what is best for him. My wife and I are teaching him how to live and thrive in today and tomorrow's society. When he gets old enough, I will be able to pass on one of the most valuable skills that he will ever learn...survival! All of the education, values, and spiritual lessons will be lost if he can't survive a hostile attack. Hopefully it will never happen. But, if it ever comes, he will have a warrior's skill and be equipped to deal with it.
I want to thank Gary in advance for the chance to pass this gift on to my Son.

Eddie Mcgee-personal best fitness training"

Fantastic Gary. You have some testimonials. I'm not questioning that you might be a good instructor but the fact that you have to keep telling us makes me really wonder. Your video just doesn't back up your claims.


I agree that the attacker is not attacking with more intent, pre red-man suit days, it was hard to get them to come at me with alot of power. However, this is a beginner video-not a demonstration, although now near the end I would probably put more intent / realism into it with more gear and dynamic scenario drills, this will be in later volumes.

You didn't say it was a beginner video. You said you put it together for your guys when you left your air force station so they could keep learning, or something like that.


It was probably a mistake not getting off the line on the other occasion, or I was highlighting something else, I would have to look back..

I never look directly at the attacker hands in real training, or face, that is ridiculous-more words your putting in my mouth and assumptions. You can look over the shoulder and still have much of his body in your peripheral - It is a drilled method, and the peripheral IS used, I'm sorry if you cannot do so, but perhaps you are confused. I do it a bit differently now, a little neurophysiology goes a long way.

Re-read my post. I never said that YOU look at an attacker's hands. No experienced person does. But peripheral vision is not looking over someone's shoulder. That is still focused vision. Peripheral vision is not focusing on any particular spot but relaxing the vision while retaining your attacker in the middle of your field of vision. You might have meant that but you didn't say that. As for your comment about my confusion ... why?

I have to go out now, but rest assured, I will return and address your other comments.

 

[jks9199]

Folks, tread lightly. Both fraudbusting and challenge posts are prohibited around here, and someone'll have to put a mod hat on soon if it keeps up.

 

[Cyriacus]

Folks, tread lightly. Both fraudbusting and challenge posts are prohibited around here, and someone'll have to put a mod hat on soon if it keeps up.

That would be a bad thing?

 

[The Last Legionary]

That would be a bad thing?

It depends on who the ban hammer is aimed at. Eliminating at least one egomaniac from here might freshen the air. Maybe if he gave his grandma down, gave her a baloney sandwich, then explained to her how he gets his super abilities from Goku Nutz. Maybe not. Either way, I'm still pretty and he's still a cranky, crusty, dried up nugget of, nugget. :ultracool Who still doesn't know who I am. But everyone knows who I am.

Regarding who is a fraud, my moneys on the long winded guy. The harder he tries to explain how much of a fart smucker he is, the more I think he's sull of fhit. :s22:

 

[Grenadier]

I'm going to say this as plainly as possible.

Fraudbusting and challenge posts are grounds for having one's account banned.

It is strongly advised that one re-reads his own statement before posting, since bans are normally not reversible.

Please keep this conversation civil, and on-topic.

-Ronald Shin
-MT Assistant Administrator

 

[K-man]

The foot cannot possibly be "flat" on the floor, unless one is flatfooted. The mechanics drill is highlighting really the turning of the knee/waist/arm, etc in concert to create a link. Driving from the heel allow the power / connection to develop turning better on that pivot point. Outside of the drill the whole foot is used and weight can roll forward as you move forward - it is done later in the video, but since I mostly drag the foot to keep ground connection the power link is more subtle - again you have no real reference for this training. I assure you I can probably demonstrate 150-200% of power compared to your goju methods.

You just can have a rational discussion without denigrating someone or something. I learned my striking from a guy from Shotokan. The striking I learned while training Goju Kai did not have the power I was looking for. What I have been training for many years is almost identical to the striking as taught at the Jundokan. So even within one style there are many variations.

But returning to your video. You did state that the foot needed to be flat to be 'grounded' if I recall correctly. Now I would have thought 'grounding' implied the use of Chi, but you state you don't believe in Chi. ??? More on that later.

Again, you are simply wrong. You making assumptions from the other side of the globe. You also have not seen/felt me actually HIT much of anything very hard. As I said my method (the IMA method) can punch much harder than any reverse punch - I can even do so from the front hand or back.

Yes, again it is me that is wrong! I haven't seen you hit anything hard. I haven't seen you hit anything! All you do is make an unsubstantiated claim that goes against all reason. I have not used your type of language to rubbish your claim. In fact, I am quite happy to see what you claim to be able to do.

I have done sporting contests, I have bounced at nightclubs, I have saved my own life with my material, and have put my stance against more pressure than you or your teacher likely ever have. I could care less about a "sporting contest" I like to stay in reality, I'm not much of a martial sport guy, I like the martial. Again you are plainly wrong.

Garry, I have no doubt you have done absolutely everything there is to do in the world of martial arts so if we take that as a given you won't have to remind us again. As to your stance which is what we are discussing here, frankly it's a joke. Send a copy to Bas Rutten, Joe Carslake, Trevor Roberts or Kevin O'Hagan for a critique. I doubt they could stand to watch more than 5 minutes. If you couldn't care about a 'sporting contest' why are you promoting a 'sporting stance'? So once again, I can't disagree with your position without being wrong.

True, I agree I did tend to lead with my head-it is a posture issue, I also have some scoliosis, and lower back problems from Iraq. Your preaching to the choir with lifting the crown etc, but I could/can hold my center just fine thanks.

I'm sorry you have scoliosis. So does one of my children. And your back problem from Iraq? The video was made before the invasion of Iraq!

So I am preaching to the choir about lifting the crown but your instructional video tilted the head forward. ???

I disagree, and my experience proves you to be false. The arms are out from the ribs because the arms are in a significantly better structural position to absorb/redirect an attack - and produce power. But as you demonstrated before by not fathoming me being able to stop an attacker much larger in his tracks (not the best idea of course) - you have demonstrated you are ignorant to the "why" and "how" behind my arm position, and that you and your teachers are incapable of that level of skill. You are way out of your depth I promise you.

Of course your experience proves me false. I would fall off my chair if you said otherwise, but biomechanics don't lie. The further the hands from the core the weaker the structure. Not to mention that it is almost impossible to meet and absorb an attack with your hands so far in front. It's only a matter of two or three inches but that makes a huge difference. And once again we can't have a discussion without verbal abuse. I am not ignorant, my teachers are not ignorant we are all capable of your level of skill and it is you who is out of his depth.

This quote just displays your ignorance, your lack of skill, and your inexperience. A fighting "stance" is a dynamic thing that can be explosively and instantly changed. (this was not in the video). The weight is on the back foot because 99% of the time I do not have to move backwards, this is a bad strategy. I move in, off the line if time, and force them off balance at the same time (and strike) regardless of my "stance". If the weight is on the back there is more mass/force to move into the front foot -drive forward /at angle/ and/or force them off center.

Here we are discussing weight distribution in a fighting stance as shown in the video. Weight on the back foot in Goju implies Neko Ashi Dachi or cat stance. It is reasonable to use it when sparring at a distance but not at all practical closer in. It was popularised by Gogen Yamaguchi but elsewhere it isn't used that way. Now let's go back to the biomechanics. If I'm standing on one leg, which is what you just said you do 99% of the time, you are inherently unstable. If you are moving in, off the line or otherwise, you can't have your weight on the back foot. Interesting that what you are now describing was not demonstrated in your video. I would have thought a dynamic fighting stance might have been something worth showing in an instructional DVD.

If one needs to move backward the concept which you don't understand "fajing" is used to explosively and almost instantly shift the weight and execute a powerful, smooth and effective method. This was not on the video, somethings you fail to understand are built in for an AH-HA moment later-which usually comes after working extensively with a partner. If the attacker pushes in I have plenty of places to go, perhaps you could benefit from some "push hands" training - I could show you hundreds of ways why your completely wrong. Ideally though one should MOVE, and not "hold ground" - but you don't always have time.

Additionally the weight is shifted to the front, or visa verse with an explosive waist shake back and forth, there is a lot of torque sent downward and bounced back up. Xinygyichuan does this particularly well. Many practitioners of such could prove you wrong as well.

I coudn't wait to get to this part. Apart from me being wrong yet again, let's look at what you wrote earlier:

If scientifically they shouldn’t be broken if they are not. Unless as I said you believe in Qi protection or some other ridiculous non-proven force. Nonetheless, I’m glad you ribs weren’t broken. This was incase your ideas were one of those science bound things, where you cant punch in a street fight and your body is a delicate flower. It may be more common than you think.

“Science bound”—I don’t believe in Qi or the supernatural if that’s what you mean. There is no evidence it exists, or makes any difference in fighting or combat. We have motion sensors and computer that can measure force, momentum, body mechanics, etc, down to the molectular level-no qi need apply

.

So for simplicity, from Wiki

Fa jin, fajin, or fa chin (fā jìn, 發&#21185 is a term used in some Chinese martial arts, particularly the neijia (internal) martial arts, such as Xingtiquan, T'ai chi ch'uan (Taijiquan), Baguazhang and Bak Mei. It means to issue or discharge power explosively, and is not specific to any particular striking method. Jìn (&#21185, or "power", is often confused by Westerners with the related concept of jing (&#31934, which literally means "essence."

What you never knew of was my training of Erle Montaigue's methods. I have an enormous amount of his material and have been studying it for over 20 years. It is his work that has enabled me to understand some of my own kata by studying his. For example the katas Sanchin and Tensho, to me, seemed out of place until I realised the reference to Ki or Chi that was within those kata and the White Crane kata. You might recall, Erle was very big on Chi and in particular Jing. Also, his push hands is totally different to yours and his concept of using it is very different. And, you claim to be one of his instructors. Interesting how the student can be so different to the master, and Erle was a master.

So yes, I do understand fajing and I do understand that you cannot use fajing without Jing or Chi. What you are using if you are not projecting your energy, in bio mechanical. If you are projecting your energy or essence, then you are using the Chi that you state is a ridiculous unproven force. You can't have it both ways. (I'll bet you can't wait to get your teeth into legal argument, although you might have to change your style of argument. The judge probably won't appreciate being told he is wrong all the time.)


If you start with the weight on the back, and shift to the front, you eventually need to shift the weight back, after all, the power should be continuous, and the strikes explosively move with the torque of the waist,, and power from the root.

And if you follow Erle's teaching, fajing is delivered with a shaking motion from the core, like a dog shaking off water. There is no torque involved. The power is generated by a relaxed body that explodes from your centre, not from the root. Interesting that this concept is exactly the same as is practised by Goju practitioners with Jundokan background. It also ties in with the delayed timing inherent in Aikido, even the Aikido strikes.


All of the strikes I demonstrated can be physically delivered with extreme effectiveness. Some times my foot does come off the ground - it is required for some methods, after all, the legs are great for throwing, kicking, trapping, springing off, etc.

If you say so.

Again, this is where you are simply ignorant of the "why" behind this beginner method of push hands, later it gets much more fluid, dynamic, and engages both hands and the legs move freely. I will link a clip later illustrating this a bit. I said in the begging the movements are more rigid. The arms are more rigid to teach the student relaxed structure that will ward off a 300 pound attacker in his tracks and bounce him off. This is the idea of "Peng" and again you are incapable of doing such thing likely well at any level. Perhaps you should ask more "why" questions before coming to conclusions on my training methods.

Ouch! I am cognisant of the mod's warning! I wasn't aware how much being ignorant can hurt one's brain! And, my incapacity to learn the things I have been training for years is starting to upset me. If you were directing you push hands at beginners you should have said so. Personally, I don't believe push hands as you demonstrated it has any place even with beginners. It is not the way Erle teaches it and it is not the way the Tai Chi guys I have felt train either. In the Okinawan push hands we do it differently again. As for Peng, I might have the wrong understanding but I thought it was more a circular absorbing and redirection. Not the physical push that you were demonstrating by turning your hips.

Well thank you Captain obvious, the training drill was not meant to be a contest about using each others free hands to hit. The drill was about teaching Peng, structure, turning the waist and rooting their energy when the peng is pushed on. There are countless benefits, and push hands goes way beyond your level, given time I'll post videos. You can let the public judge for themselves, I would love to see your videos in turn.

With every drill I teach I also teach to be defending against any potential counter. You actually did a similar thing at one stage when you used your free hand to protect against the elbow strike.

I have no intention of posting videos. I don't claim to be among the world elite martial artists and there are many examples of videos better than I could produce. There is no requirement here for people who disagree with you to post videos, just as it wasn't necessary for you. You invited the critique but can't take criticism.

I didn't deny its natural for one to want to cover the face in response to an attack, but again this DRILL is meant to to one to use the peng/structure with both hands and change it up. The same method works while moving off the line forward, etc.

Great, so it works. It is not exclusive to your system or mine. Just you stated in a previous post that it wouldn't work in bunkai. Glad to see at least you have changed your mind on one thing.

That's your misperception, you don't have to spring up high, just into a target, following through taking them down/ off their center. Another quote that displays your ignorance of what I do-and IMA does.

In any martial art we sink our centre for stability and power. Even Peng comes from the core. Lifting your centre as you advocated weakens your position.

You should have spent the time attempting to learn the methods before you talk out of the A@@. It takes a good while to reap the benefits, especially since your Goju has you seriously Mal-trained. Thus far you haven't provided anything of value, nor have you demonstrated you are nothing but the peanut gallery with no experience in my arts/system. I have pressure tested / taught countless other instructors, special operators, special agents, and competitive boxers to name a few. I have more to offer the instructors here than you can contemplate.

What can I say? Very few people in the world have knowledge of your fantastic system. No one that has trained with you is on this forum therefore by your definition no one here is qualified to question you or your techniques. Why did you bother posting in the first place? You obviously weren't expecting to learn anything.

Oh, and I pressure test everything too. That's why I'm sure your technique is flawed.

You have three years of training in your chosen system. Your a newb in your chosen art, and are WAY out of your depth. Again, lets see your video?? This is laughable. I bet I wouldn't have to put my tea down to demonstrate why and how your methods are grossly inadequate. If you would like to fly out sometime when I have the extra $ I will reimburse you for your plane ticket if you can demonstrate that my methods are not significantly superior (in a friendly way of course-with rules). It will be filmed and posted regardless of result. Also feel free to bring your teacher.

Gary, I started boxing as a child in the 1950s, karate in 1970 and aikido in 2006. I began studying Erle Montaigue's material in the 1990s. I changed the focus of my karate training three years ago so yep, I suppose I'm a newb.

I'm sure Gnarlie won't mind me objecting on his behalf to your subsequent attack on him.

First, your primary art is Tae Kwon Do - which I call tae kwon JOKE, combatively. TDJ is almost single-highhandedly responsible for the degradation of quality in the USA and all over the world. There might be better vids on the market, that vid is old and in no way comprehensive, it is also missing some crucial "flowing motion drills". Like I said before, unless and until you can show me why and how other material is more effective you are simply part of the peanut gallery.


You really like verbal bullying don't you? Anyone who cares to offer a different opinion is a peanut? Really?

Then you say, "Spelling errors is your fist complaint, how petty, lol. I have more important things to do than spell check my posts."

Well Gary, the spelling error wasn't in your posts. It was large as life in your DVD.

And this:
"Humility went out the window here when people decided to be ignorant jack@!es. It was not a DVD where I wanted people to ask questions, the questions are address in class/person. Demonstrations were purposely not put under extreme pressure, you don't throw that a newbs right away, they can get hurt, especially without in person help."

Sorry Gary, I must have missed your post where you demonstrated humility.

And this:
"That's because you fail to understand what and why is being taught, and you also failed to learn it and surely couldn't apply it anywhere near my level for more than a decade. Whats displayed is VERY basic, white belt stuff. Sorry its boring!! But thousands of people have found it usefu (I used to advertise in Black belt magazine) even those in your "target market", again I remind you I have trained instructors in EVERY art you have trained in. I'm sorry but this is way above your level, your background looks like a TKD joke. Another peanut gallery comment. I have a few friends working NATO in Germany, if I'm ever around I'd be happy to buy you a beer and embarrass you on video. You can also bring your teacher."


Well Gary that's it from me. You might gather I'm getting sick of your personal attacks. Perhaps if you approach this forum as an equal, people might feel better towards you. :asian:

 

[Gnarlie]

First, your primary art is Tae Kwon Do - which I call tae kwon JOKE, combatively. TDJ is almost single-highhandedly responsible for the degradation of quality in the USA and all over the world. There might be better vids on the market, that vid is old and in no way comprehensive, it is also missing some crucial "flowing motion drills". Like I said before, unless and until you can show me why and how other material is more effective you are simply part of the peanut gallery.



Spelling errors is your fist complaint, how petty, lol. I have more important things to do than spell check my posts.

You have failed to explicate and demonstrate how and why my concepts are conflicting? The information if trained correctly could last your years. You are simply ignorant as to how and why, I guarantee it.



Humility went out the window here when people decided to be ignorant jack@!es. It was not a DVD where I wanted people to ask questions, the questions are address in class/person. Demonstrations were purposely not put under extreme pressure, you don't throw that a newbs right away, they can get hurt, especially without in person help.



That's because you fail to understand what and why is being taught, and you also failed to learn it and surely couldn't apply it anywhere near my level for more than a decade. Whats displayed is VERY basic, white belt stuff. Sorry its boring!! But thousands of people have found it usefu (I used to advertise in Black belt magazine) even those in your "target market", again I remind you I have trained instructors in EVERY art you have trained in. I'm sorry but this is way above your level, your background looks like a TKD joke. Another peanut gallery comment. I have a few friends working NATO in Germany, if I'm ever around I'd be happy to buy you a beer and embarrass you on video. You can also bring your teacher.

Best,

Gary



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1) You don't really know anything about me

2) Don't waste your time coming to Germany, I'd rather spend the time having an actual snooze than meet you in person. I have some of the best instructors in the world in their respective disciplines in this city. All of them have better martial and communicative skills than you have demonstrated. Including the ones that don't speak my languages.

3) You asked for critique. I critiqued. Disagreement with you does not equal ignorance, stupidity, inexperience or misunderstanding.

Have a nice day

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[Cyriacus]

Oh, this looks fun
I dunno where it came from, but Ive gotta comment on it.

First, your primary art is Tae Kwon Do - which I call tae kwon JOKE, combatively.

So is whatever it is You train in, because if taekwondo is the standard for a joke, yours is funnier! -I cant remember where I read this, but it was memorably hilarious, since its true in just about every instance of someone saying Tae Kwon Joke.

"Humility went out the window here when people decided to be ignorant jack@!es. It was not a DVD where I wanted people to ask questions, the questions are address in class/person. Demonstrations were purposely not put under extreme pressure, you don't throw that a newbs right away, they can get hurt, especially without in person help."

In other words, as long as noone questions You and just assumes You are correct?
I cant say more without pushing it a bit.

"I'm sorry but this is way above your level, your background looks like a TKD joke. Another peanut gallery comment. I have a few friends working NATO in Germany, if I'm ever around I'd be happy to buy you a beer and embarrass you on video. You can also bring your teacher."

Yours is even funnier though, remember?

 

[Gnarlie]

Also, there are 2 more things:

If you think TKD is a joke, then that gives some indication of the level of depth and objectivity with which you look at various martial arts: shallow and prejudiced.

and

If you think that an art defines the abilities of a person, then you might want to consider your own ignorance level.

I would have thought you would have realised this already, what with all your experience and stuff?

Have a nice day

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[Supra Vijai]

And it kinda relies on the person punching your elbow.

They might... it's a viable target isn't it? One of the secret mystical ones I mean

 

[Cyriacus]

They might... it's a viable target isn't it? One of the secret mystical ones I mean

Well, I know whenever I get into Bar Fights the first thing I go for is the Elbow.
Takes em out quicksmart/

 

[Supra Vijai]

Well, I know whenever I get into Bar Fights the first thing I go for is the Elbow.
Takes em out quicksmart/

You mean you take breaks between your bar fights? Seems like wasted time to me. Just sayin