Buying Dan rank over the Internet

Do you think buying martial arts dan rank over the Internet is a legitimate way to ea

  • Yes, it’s just as good or better than actually earning it the normal way by training in a dojo for

  • No, it’s crap and not worth the paper it’s written on.


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Actually, you don't have to actually list your site with a search engine for it to appear in a search, though it certainly does help.

Cthulhu
 
Originally posted by RyuShiKan
I found it in 2 seconds with a Google search.
Now, if you have something you want to say about the topic "Buying Dan rank over the Internet" feel free..........otherwise start your own thread.

The only way you can find my site at google is to type in scientific streetfighting SO IF YOU FOUND IN IT IN GOOGLE, YOU HAD TO KNOW ABOUT MY SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING TO ASSOCIATE ME WITH "SCIENTIFIC STREETFIGHTING!

I don't know how it got there. But there is no association of me in there selling rank, dan rank martial art rank, nothing of the sort.

I'M BEING SLANDERED BEFORE EVEN DOING ANYTHING. HAVEN'T SOLD ANYTHING, THERES NO WAY TO BUY ANYTHING FROM ME AT ALL!
 
Originally posted by akja
I TEACH "GENDAI BUJUTSU"

Use whatever words you want. Gendai bujutsu simply means "modern (post WWII) martial arts," and unless the stuff you study has had extensive combat application (and I don't mean being a bouncer, or a few street fights, but fighting to the bitter end with only one person walking away), the bujutsu term could be lost entirely...

Regardless of the terms you use to attempt to qualify what you do, it still boils down to the same thing to folks who know what those terms really mean.

I DON'T TEACH TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS EXCEPT TO MY FAMILY WHO ALSO ARE STUDENTS OF MY INSTRUCTORS WITH MY INSTRUCTORS CONSENT!

Correct me if my interpretation is wrong, but it seems that, with the orientation of your art and the way you say you present material, along with the tone you set when discussing traditional training, that you don't overly care for traditional methods. Yet, traditional methods are good enough for your family? I would think that of anyone, the ones closest to you would receive the lion's share of the best you had to offer. And if the traditional stuff is the best you can offer your family, either they don't rate terribly highly, or traditional training is better than your "gendai bujutsu" and you are shorting your students of information...

If a student wishes to go the traditional route also, if my instructors approve it then OK, but other wise its pure Gendai Bujutsu which is a very effective and realistic method of training and execution!

Again, the disparity in your comments is confusing...

Traditional is fine by you. Good enough to keep your family members safe. But you disapprove of traditional training enough that you felt it necessary to create something on your own that you feel is more "realistic?" Your circular argument is starting to make me dizzy...

Back to the topic, you feel that you could validly prepare someone for black belt testing via video? No in person instruction at all? I'm sorry, but our lowest grades in Yiliquan couldn't learn even half their required material without an instructor to correct them. Not because we are controlling, simply because there is that much detail to the instruction. Perhaps what was said on another thread really is true, that the standards for what a black belt is supposed to be, know and do really do vary widely from one school to the next...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:
 
Originally posted by Yiliquan1
Use whatever words you want. Gendai bujutsu simply means "modern (post WWII) martial arts," and unless the stuff you study has had extensive combat application (and I don't mean being a bouncer, or a few street fights, but fighting to the bitter end with only one person walking away), the bujutsu term could be lost entirely...

Regardless of the terms you use to attempt to qualify what you do, it still boils down to the same thing to folks who know what those terms really mean.



Correct me if my interpretation is wrong, but it seems that, with the orientation of your art and the way you say you present material, along with the tone you set when discussing traditional training, that you don't overly care for traditional methods. Yet, traditional methods are good enough for your family? I would think that of anyone, the ones closest to you would receive the lion's share of the best you had to offer. And if the traditional stuff is the best you can offer your family, either they don't rate terribly highly, or traditional training is better than your "gendai bujutsu" and you are shorting your students of information...



Again, the disparity in your comments is confusing...

Traditional is fine by you. Good enough to keep your family members safe. But you disapprove of traditional training enough that you felt it necessary to create something on your own that you feel is more "realistic?" Your circular argument is starting to make me dizzy...

Back to the topic, you feel that you could validly prepare someone for black belt testing via video? No in person instruction at all? I'm sorry, but our lowest grades in Yiliquan couldn't learn even half their required material without an instructor to correct them. Not because we are controlling, simply because there is that much detail to the instruction. Perhaps what was said on another thread really is true, that the standards for what a black belt is supposed to be, know and do really do vary widely from one school to the next...

Gambarimasu.
:asian:

Sorry for the confushion.
I'm not certified to teach traditional martial arts. I have 3 traditional Instructors in 4 arts. This is my path for me. My family has been accepted by my 2 Karate instructors to be taught by me. This is not normal before certification.

Thats why in my site, theres no detail for the tradional systems. I can only advertise what I teach to the public.

Also I've been around enough to know the the old masters have a lot to offer us and I can't get enough. But whatever I learn becomes mine to with as I see fit. So if I modify, then I made it fit me.

But what I do is differant, didn't say better. Shodan is just the beginning. I'm not offering anybody a chance to get a high rank. But there are those who like myself who put in a lot of years in the arts and have had 1 & 2 year students pass them in rank and don't really know anything. I'm trying to grow an organization not sell certificates. This all leads to seminars and guidance from myself and my inner core.
 
Originally posted by akja
Sorry, sometimes I am a man of little patience. My way is you push, I push a little harder.

My brother-in-law who is of my former Sensei, taught me that in sparring to teach me control. He being an ex-pro fighter was in total control while I was not. I learned and lived by it in all ways of my life. Believe me these "young bucks" these days think they are unstoppable and that attitude all around keeps them in check or at least they no better than to cross the line.



No problem at all. Thanks for the apology.
 
Originally posted by akja
Heres some fuel for the fire by some "supposed" well respected types:

http://stevespry.com/

http://www.adrianroman.com/

!

"supposed" is the big operative word there- they've been toasted on the Kenpo forums already.

Like most arts- you can't stop folks in American Kenpo from doing stupid things.

Spry's been called a real dubious source since he self promoted himself way beyond his own instructor in Kenpo. He claims a mishmosh of arts to justify his rank and he never studied with Ed Parker.

No one ever heard of the other guy till he started his tape program.

they're considered huksters by most serious AKer's - is that who you want to be compared to?

peace:asian:
 
Originally posted by akja
The only way you can find my site at google is to type in scientific streetfighting SO IF YOU FOUND IN IT IN GOOGLE, YOU HAD TO KNOW ABOUT MY SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING TO ASSOCIATE ME WITH "SCIENTIFIC STREETFIGHTING!

I don't know how it got there. But there is no association of me in there selling rank, dan rank martial art rank, nothing of the sort.

I'M BEING SLANDERED BEFORE EVEN DOING ANYTHING. HAVEN'T SOLD ANYTHING, THERES NO WAY TO BUY ANYTHING FROM ME AT ALL!


Type in Atemi Kempo Jujitsu and you get this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q="Atemi+Kempo+Jujitsu"&btnG=Google+Search
 
Originally posted by jazkiljok
"supposed" is the big operative word there- they've been toasted on the Kenpo forums already.

Like most arts- you can't stop folks in American Kenpo from doing stupid things.

Spry's been called a real dubious source since he self promoted himself way beyond his own instructor in Kenpo. He claims a mishmosh of arts to justify his rank and he never studied with Ed Parker.

No one ever heard of the other guy till he started his tape program.

they're considered huksters by most serious AKer's - is that who you want to be compared to?

peace:asian:

No that’s not what I want to be compared to. All I want to be compared to is that of other good instructors. I do have to look real hard at my site.

It should be seen more like just giving someone a chance to EARN something that may have eluded them in the past.

I’m not trying to get rich although I wouldn’t turn it down. I just want to supplement myself so that I could afford to do martial arts full time and have more time to train with my instructors and not have to charge my students the going rates.
 
Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Type in Atemi Kempo Jujitsu and you get this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q="Atemi+Kempo+Jujitsu"&btnG=Google+Search

But I didn't give you the name Atemi Kempo Jujitsu. You got it from the website. So how did you know to type in "atemi?"

I DIDN'T PUT IT THERE, ITS THE TRUTH

FUNNY IT DOSEN'T COME UP IN YAHOO. ONLY GOOGLE IF YOU KNOW THE NAME I GAVE IT. BUT I DON'T REMBER GIVING YOU MY SYSTEMS NAME.

BE STRAIGHT WITH ME. I'M GOING TO RE-WORK MY SITE TO CLARIFY THINGS!
 
Its in your profile "Atemi Kempo Jujitsu Association "

Each search engine works differently, and inconsistantly. Simply put (without the technical stuff) if its mentioned on your site either as a whole phrase, or as each word separetly, it might find you.

When I did a search on Google using the following : "Atemi Kempo Jujitsu" Association
your site was the only one that came up.

You do not need to submit yourself to the search engines. They constantly 'reach out' and check sites, starting at the registrars and working from there. You may have been 'spidered' by 1, and then trickled out to the others as they constantly scan each other too.

I've had several of my sites show up without me doing anything.

Hope that helps explain things a bit on the search enging side.


:asian:
 
Originally posted by akja
But I didn't give you the name Atemi Kempo Jujitsu. You got it from the website. So how did you know to type in "atemi?"

I DIDN'T PUT IT THERE, ITS THE TRUTH

FUNNY IT DOSEN'T COME UP IN YAHOO. ONLY GOOGLE IF YOU KNOW THE NAME I GAVE IT. BUT I DON'T REMBER GIVING YOU MY SYSTEMS NAME.

BE STRAIGHT WITH ME. I'M GOING TO RE-WORK MY SITE TO CLARIFY THINGS!



Bloody hell, :rolleyes: look at your own user profile under your user name on this BBs it's where YOU wrote it.
 
Originally posted by RyuShiKan
Bloody hell, :rolleyes: look at your own user profile under your user name on this BBs it's where YOU wrote it.

All you had to say was you got it from my profile.

But I'm telling the truth that I didn'y submit it to any search engines.
 
Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
Its in your profile "Atemi Kempo Jujitsu Association "

Each search engine works differently, and inconsistantly. Simply put (without the technical stuff) if its mentioned on your site either as a whole phrase, or as each word separetly, it might find you.

When I did a search on Google using the following : "Atemi Kempo Jujitsu" Association
your site was the only one that came up.

You do not need to submit yourself to the search engines. They constantly 'reach out' and check sites, starting at the registrars and working from there. You may have been 'spidered' by 1, and then trickled out to the others as they constantly scan each other too.

I've had several of my sites show up without me doing anything.

Hope that helps explain things a bit on the search enging side.


:asian:

that would explain it
 
Originally posted by akja
All you had to say was you got it from my profile.

But I'm telling the truth that I didn'y submit it to any search engines.


I thought that would have been painfully obvious from the start.
 
Sorry,
My head was a bit clogged today but I am going to make some changes before any online buisness happens.
 
Originally posted by akja
Sorry for the confushion.

No problem. That is the nice thing about polite posting - we can ask questions and get answers, and as long as everyone keeps their heads we can get answers in the end.

I'm not certified to teach traditional martial arts. I have 3 traditional Instructors in 4 arts. This is my path for me. My family has been accepted by my 2 Karate instructors to be taught by me. This is not normal before certification.

So, what you are saying is that you are not certified to teach the arts from which you draw your training, yet you have created something "new" based on that training that you are teaching to others?

I don't intend this to be mean-spirited, but if you are not sufficiently well trained enough to teach the arts you have trained in, how can you believe you know them well enough to pass on the information or to judge if the method of its passing is in need of modification and change?

Thats why in my site, theres no detail for the tradional systems. I can only advertise what I teach to the public.

See paragraph above. How can you teach what you have created when you are not sufficiently well trained in the arts you have studied to be of a level to teach them? It just seems to me that a person ought to have a good enough amount of time in an art before they go about deciding it needs to be changed somehow. Brucie Lee did just that with Wing Chun - he wasn't with it long enough to learn enough of it to know what was missing and what wasn't. His decisions were based on insufficient training and a spirit that wasn't sufficiently patient.

I don't know you, and I haven't seen what your skills are like. It is entirely possible you possess sufficient knowledge and ability to be a fine teacher. But without that knowledge, all I have to go on is what you have said thusfar, and you have indicated only a maximum of about 5 years or so in any given system.

Also I've been around enough to know the the old masters have a lot to offer us and I can't get enough. But whatever I learn becomes mine to with as I see fit. So if I modify, then I made it fit me.

While there is something to be said for taking what you learn and making it your own, there is also something to be said for the validity of fitting yourself to the techinique instead of fitting the technique to you. Modifying a technique is fine, so long as the modification is based not on a person's whimsy, but rather on necessity (i.e. injuries, physical limitations, etc., things that cannot be changed). Changing a technique because it is too hard to do, or because it is uncomfortable or doesn't fit our body type well doesn't necessarily indicate a bug in the technique...

Shodan is just the beginning. I'm not offering anybody a chance to get a high rank. But there are those who like myself who put in a lot of years in the arts and have had 1 & 2 year students pass them in rank and don't really know anything.

Sure enough, black belt should be the real beginning of learning, but in many "modern" fly-by-night systems you have reached pretty much the end of the road. In a good style, black belt is when you have racked up enough time doing the basics to be able to work with them to learn how they really work. It would be like learning a foreign language - once you know enough words and grammar, you can begin learning how to hold a conversation. Until then, however, you are just parroting phrases without a real understanding of what you are saying.

I'm trying to grow an organization not sell certificates. This all leads to seminars and guidance from myself and my inner core.

Your goal is fine and admirable. However the appearance your efforts gives is one that needs clarification to those who aren't aware of your desires at the outset.

Gambarimasu.
:asian:
 
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Sorry,
My head was a bit clogged today

Oh, well in that case...

Do you think that excuse would work in the operating room?

"Yeah, I know I cut out your son's right testicle when I planned on doing a hernia repair, but my head was "CLOGGY" today...I'm sure you'll understand..."

C'mon...

Why should the public expect anything less from their martial arts instructor, than they do from their surgeon?

When you go public, YOU are contracting with anyone who walks through your door to be honest...and to represent your art as best you can, and to NOT inflate your credentials...

Unless, of course, you are a McDojo...

So, I hope that helps to clarify the concerns others' have expressed...

:asian:
chufeng
 
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