Dear Ronald McDonald, I mean R. McRobertson (Just letting you know I can do it too)..
I was on another thread guys (I think it was the proof of higher power one), someone had asked me why I converted and I was explaining it.. then as I'm heading to bed I thought I'd quickly stop in and see what points you may have brought up so i could start preparing stuff tomorrow... and I saw my buddies "offended" post below... so I thought i'd quickly address his points, then tomorrow will start at the beginning of the thread with your points.
rmcrobertson said:
Dear Monterey Jack (just letting you know):
All of your "confirmed," prophecies rest ujpon unproved and unprovable assumptions about Jesus' divinity.
I'll cover this when I get back to this point in the thread - but this raises a question in my mind... if you are a religious Jew, on what information do you base your faith? And if you are, how can YOU prove YOUR assumptions to be true? Wouldn't your paperwork be theoretically as unproved and unprovable as mine? or anyone elses for that matter? including those who hold to the belief in the theory of evolution? - chew on that - but I'll expect you to defend and answer that point if you are in fact religious.
rmcrobertson said:
Since you mentioned your kids, you might want to consider just how repugnant it is to some of us to read that, "the Jews did this," or, "the Jews did that." Gross, dude.
Just so you know, it is very repugnant to some of us that some of you thin skinned types take offense at any opportunity for items that are as irrelevent as a mouse in a field who may happen to fart in your direction... For some reason, I've noticed through other threads, that you seem to take offense very very quickly, no matter what is said.. well I take offense to you taking offense to me so lets stop all this I'm offended crap...and discuss this like adults... would you prefer I did this "j-w"? ...too bad.. its not gonna happen... oh and by the way, my children will know what the word Jew means, as well as a whole spectum of other words, don't bother inferring anythign else into the discussions about their upbringing.
If you're a Jew, then you're a Jew, if you're a Christian, then you're a Christian, if you're a Muslim, then you're a Muslim, if you're an Atheist then you're an Atheist... get the picture? they are none offensive and none dirty words, unless the meaning is twisted by people like yourself who try to infer something other than what was originally intended... so..deal with it...if you cannot discuss this without complaining and being all "offended" about everything, then I'll just chalk it up to your being incapable of discussing something without your emotions getting in the way, and ignore your comments on this thread.
And just so YOU know, I am a friend of Israel (I guess some people call us Christian Zionists these days), and support "EXODUSII", buying airline tickets for Jewish immigrants to move home to Israel (the re-gathering if you will, correction of the diaspora)...look it up my friend... you're barking at the wrong guy.
rmcrobertson said:
The arrogance of some Christians never fails to amaze me. If I were the Big Kahuna, and I weren't busy with intelligent planets, I'd be notin' those presumptuous enough to make claims about what I had in mind.
LOL... where did you get that I make claims as to what He is thinking? I read the bible and therefore know what He has told us.. thats it, no more ! oh and I guess I should take offense at being called a Christian right about here right? I mean, you did about being called a Jew.
rmcrobertson said:
But the big question: why do you need the tools of science and reason to confirm your faith? Looks like either you've bought into the modern world, or are shaky about your beliefs.
LOL - wrong on both accounts... is having faith mutually exclusive to wanting knowledge? You demand proofs for my position... and even though I have pure faith in Jesus, I attempt to answer your request for proofs, then when I attempt to provide you with proof, you then assault the strength of my faith by stating that I'm either weak in it or believe in the world, which is the reasons for my needing proof?!?!?! thats funny circular logic...
So what do you want? should I just say then that I believe, then shut up? If i did that you'd ask me why i believe.. then when I can give you evidences for that belief, you'd tell me to shut up 'cause my faith is weak!
whew...
Anyways, I would prefer that antagonism and personal attacks were not part of this discussion... can we keep it that way?
I have a lot of cool stuff for you all to see as we go forward...