Aikido against a boxer

[Kung Fu Wang]

Shioda Gozo is no fake

I'm not saying his MA skill is fake. I'm saying his demo is fake. Should a good MA person give a fake demo? IMO, he should not.

The moment that someone puts "empty force - no touch throw" label on you, your lifetime reputation will be ruined and there will be no recovery after that.

 

[now disabled]

This is the thing, I've never said that the art can't work.

I've never said any art doesn't work (except no touch knockout style, I mean, really).

The problem is there's so much pure crap around many arts that it's difficult for some people to see the wood for the trees.

As an example, I saw a guy on the beach while I was on holiday doing the 'health' tai chi thing. So I stole something...

My instructor asked what it was I did when I was suddenly getting a load of head strikes in - so I offered a choice.

"I can tell the truth and tell you I'm using a tai chi move, or I can say I decided to try a combo of jab - down parry to drop their guard - circular backfist..."

There can be value in almost anything if you're willing to see it.

I never thought you did say it didn't work lol

Yeah the no touch thing as you call it is what does get people talking lol it a concept I think is the best way of describing it some go that route others don't actually the bit before his uke did the break fall and yes he did do the flip was actually the exercise the flip was done in my estimatio out o respect or his master and I guess his presence

I studied two styles o Aikido and I did the senshusei course and believe me that was no walk in the park

 

[now disabled]

The moment that someone puts "empty force - no touch throw" label on you, your lifetime reputation will be ruined and there will be no recovery after that

That is you sir that is placing that label and his reputation is very much intact and he passed on in 1994

 

[drop bear]

Like getting hit by lightning while golfing low.

Like there is always something better. I mean if I want to break stuff. It is generally easier just to elbow them in the face and be done with it.

If I want to holistically subdue an attacker without harming him using his force against him. I wrestle.

 

[now disabled]

Like there is always something better. I mean if I want to break stuff. It is generally easier just to elbow them in the face and be done with it.

If I want to holistically subdue an attacker without harming him using his force against him. I wrestle.

I ain't gonna start an argument but where in Aikido does it say that as you put it an elbow to the face is not permitted ?

This peace and love and non violent thing that seems to run and run is really not true it is wholly misinterpreted imo

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

That is you sir that is placing that label and his reputation is very much intact and he passed on in 1994

Nobody forced him to give "no touch throw" demo. He put that label on himself.

From 0.04 - 0.22.

 

[now disabled]

Nobody forced him to give "no touch throw" demo. He put that label on himself.

You are missing the point of that part and unless you know the ins and outs then it best left

and as he has passed on then history will judge him like it will us all

 

[Gerry Seymour]

The key word is "don't know how to turn off".

From a wrestler's point of view, I love to deal with "full resisting" opponent. I will know that my opponent will resist against everything that I try to do on him. When I pull, he will pull too. When I push, he will also push.

Comparing a "full resisting" opponent with a "full yielding" opponent, the "full yielding" opponent may give me more trouble. When I pull, he will push. When I push, he will pull.

I can take advantage on both "full resisting" and "full yielding' opponent.

The most difficult opponent to deal with is those who can "vibrate his body". No matter what you do on him, his body vibration can cancel out all your force.

That's not how I'd define "fully resisting". Fully resisting is just using all your tools to stop the other person. Sometimes that means pushing against a push, sometimes it means pushing against a pull.

 

[pdg]

the bit before his uke did the break fall and yes he did do the flip was actually the exercise the flip was done in my estimatio out o respect or his master and I guess his presence

The part that really got me was where he stood on the other guy's foot and completely disabled him.

Yeah, like no.

A person has a weight, that weight is their mass being acted on by gravity. That cannot be changed at will. Expecting me to believe that is akin to asking me to believe in fairy magic. If I can lift someone, I can lift them. They can possibly make getting a grip harder with body positioning and the like, but they can't change their weight. Someone that size stands on my foot I'll either just take my foot from under them or simply pick them up by the ears and put them elsewhere.

Oh, and I don't buy the (possible) explanation of him targeting a nerve cluster either - for a few reasons.

One of them is I had that nerve cluster moved following a plasma mortar attack during the battle at owyab'stard valley in 3163.

Another is - I live somewhat near Salisbury - I haven't survived this long by having such susceptible nerves...

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I see your point and it's interesting. But wouldn't it be dangerous to try to apply techniques to persons who don't know how to receive them?
I mean, one advantage of applying Aikido techniques to Aikido people is that they can use their ukemi skills in order to avoid injury.
Many people think that ukemi is like falling on your own but it's not. Ukemi waza is an escape technique, meaning that you fall (only after feeling the real effect of the technique)in order to avoid broken bones, joint dislocations and other injuries... So in that sense, I can apply full force Aikido techniques because I know that the Uke can take it.
Now, if I tried to do that to a Karate guy for instance, he could strike fast and strong but would he be able to take the effect of my technique without getting injured? That would make me hold back on my technique rendering the whole practice fake in my opinion...

Not nearly so dangerous as generally thought. There are some you'd have to abandon because you'd feel them locking up with no "uke give" happening. But that'd be useful feedback for you. Some of the ones you expect to be dangerous you'll find awfully hard to get to, and others you'll find almost anyone can manage some kind of useful ukemi from them if you are controlled in your application. The idea isn't that you go in at 100% speed and intensity - I have rarely done that. It's often quite useful to go in and do what I call "light, technical" sparring against folks from other styles. Everybody keeps it under 75% speed (sometimes under 50% speed), and nobody applies anything fully, even strikes. You'll still learn a ton if you really pay attention and don't get caught up in the "I hit you! No you didn't!" arguments.

 

[pdg]

and as he has passed on then history will judge him like it will us all

I'm not interesting enough to be judged by history - it's now or never

 

[Martial D]

Like there is always something better. I mean if I want to break stuff. It is generally easier just to elbow them in the face and be done with it.

If I want to holistically subdue an attacker without harming him using his force against him. I wrestle.

Or jitz them. Nothing like getting a dude in a mounted crucifix and just letting them squirm around helplessly a bit.

 

[now disabled]

The part that really got me was where he stood on the other guy's foot and completely disabled him

That is actually not a lie lol it hurts like hell trust me and it a really good way of opening

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You are missing the point of that part and unless you know the ins and outs then it best left

and as he has passed on then history will judge him like it will us all

What did I miss?

I'll pay $10,000 to anybody who can do that to me (But that person has to pay me $1000 if he can't move me without touching).

 

[now disabled]

What did I miss?

I'll pay $10,000 to anybody who can do that to me.

You missed Aikido and some of the philosophy behind it and I am not explaining just to get shot down again and again

 

[pdg]

That is actually not a lie lol it hurts like hell trust me and it a really good way of opening

Until someone can prove that to me by actually doing it I'll have to respectfully disagree.

I've had a horse stand on my foot - it hurt, but I didn't spaz out like the guy in the video.

I've had a long wheelbase land rover roll over my foot, honestly didn't hurt much at all, but I couldn't move my foot.

A (any?) person standing on my foot? It might induce a momentary stumble, I really can't see it doing more.

 

[Martial D]

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You missed Aikido and some of the philosophy behind it and I am not explaining just to get shot down again and again

I truly don't care what philosophy that Aikido may use, fake is still fake. All MA styles have fake demo. It's very sad indeed.

 

[now disabled]

I truly don't care what philosophy that Aikido may use, fake is still fake.

your entitled to your view as is the next person

 

[Martial D]

Until someone can prove that to me by actually doing it I'll have to respectfully disagree.

I've had a horse stand on my foot - it hurt, but I didn't spaz out like the guy in the video.

I've had a long wheelbase land rover roll over my foot, honestly didn't hurt much at all, but I couldn't move my foot.

A (any?) person standing on my foot? It might induce a momentary stumble, I really can't see it doing more.

People try to stand on my foot every day. When you're in close it's a good way to land hooks and uppercuts,(pinning their lead foot) but it doesn't hurt. Even foot stomps aren't going to stop anyone, although they do hurt a bit.