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Yoshinkan Aikido
Aikido against a boxer
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Yeah he was the one that made RFK's bodyguard lget a red face back in the 60's
Martial D
Senior Master
Those two guys in the Gi's deserve an oscar;or at least a job interview with Vince McMahon
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That says it all you now disrespecting Shioda ... well I wish you the best as that really says it all
Martial D
Senior Master
That clip is only a hairs breadth away from no touch knockouts and chi balls. Call it disrespect if you like, because no, I don't respect fakery. Not one bit.
I have a D word for you too.
Duped.
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Those videos you posted, there are "TKD" techniques littered through them...
Tenshin - yep, those are valid TKD blocks. I know they work, because I use them. If really necessary (and if I feel like it) I could put a name to each time stamp. Except for the thumb/finger grabbing - you'll not be finding me giving those to you. But for fun, let's say you get them and try to bend them back. I'll be having that wrist and going backwards with your bend, and I'll be getting a kick toward the back of your head.
The Kaeshi waza demo - nope, sorry, I in no way attack or react like that. Anyone wants me to believe that works is going to have to do it to me. I'll sign a disclaimer and everything.
Yoshinkan - well, I've seen other videos with it being performed in a way that I can believe works. That video is not one of them, by a very long chalk. Based on that video taken in total isolation, I want to call him George...
Those videos you posted, there are "TKD" techniques littered through them...
Tenshin - yep, those are valid TKD blocks. I know they work, because I use them. If really necessary (and if I feel like it) I could put a name to each time stamp. Except for the thumb/finger grabbing - you'll not be finding me giving those to you. But for fun, let's say you get them and try to bend them back. I'll be having that wrist and going backwards with your bend, and I'll be getting a kick toward the back of your head.
The Kaeshi waza demo - nope, sorry, I in no way attack or react like that. Anyone wants me to believe that works is going to have to do it to me. I'll sign a disclaimer and everything.
Yoshinkan - well, I've seen other videos with it being performed in a way that I can believe works. That video is not one of them, by a very long chalk. Based on that video taken in total isolation, I want to call him George...
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Well I shall avividly watch for you to reach the heights that Shioda did and then and only then sir will you have gained the right to show that kind of disrespect as that is what it is
Martial D
Senior Master
But I'm not in the showmanship business, so that will never happen. In terms of martial arts I only care what works, and I train diligently to that effect every single day. I spar with live opponents every single day. I would have 0 interest in having a bunch of guys throw themselves around as i dont even touch them to make me look like a superhero.
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When my long fist teacher's teacher used Samarra sword to cut on his face without bleeding, people dis-respect him for doing that fake demo. It has nothing to do with his MA skill.
If I put up this clip, will you respect this person?
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Master Black Belt
Oh grow up your as I said the super warrior you got the title you won lol
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Trying to demo more that one can truly do is the problem.
A demo is 1/2 fake and 1/2 real. The 1/2 fake part is your opponent will intentionally give you that opportunity. The 1/2 real part is you have to finish yourself. If your opponent help you to finish, that by definition is 100% fake demo. At 2.18 of that clip, both of his opponents can release their grips if they want to. By definition, that part of demo is 100% fake.
Martial D
Senior Master
Hey man, you're the one focusing on me rather than what I'm saying. The whole 'maturity' angle isn't boding well for you.
SO lets try that. Are you claiming there are not points in that video you posted where guys are flipping without even being touched? And if those points exist, what does that tell you about what is going on in that video?
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Shioda Gozo is no fake
Martial D
Senior Master
I agree. But what of the parts where the man demonstrating neither begins nor ends a technique, like say as just one example near the end of that vid where he is on all fours, and his students are running at him flipping over his back. The guy doesn't even move. Does that count as finishing a technique?
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Sir I am not focusing on you at all you are entitled to believe as you will and want and let us leave it there ok
This is the thing, I've never said that the art can't work.
I've never said any art doesn't work (except no touch knockout style, I mean, really).
The problem is there's so much pure crap around many arts that it's difficult for some people to see the wood for the trees.
As an example, I saw a guy on the beach while I was on holiday doing the 'health' tai chi thing. So I stole something...
My instructor asked what it was I did when I was suddenly getting a load of head strikes in - so I offered a choice.
"I can tell the truth and tell you I'm using a tai chi move, or I can say I decided to try a combo of jab - down parry to drop their guard - circular backfist..."
There can be value in almost anything if you're willing to see it.
If we compare the following 2 clips (different throwing art systems), which demo will look more realistic? Why?
