Youth Black Belts

[Twin Fist]

It would be very difficult to catch my son adult or child. He has extensive SD training.

what a bunch of crap

HE IS 12

he hasnt had TIME for extensive training in ANYTHING past not crapping in his pants

give me a ****ing break

I know, you have to believe all this crap, otherwise you are a fool for paying for it

i dont care

schools like YOURS are the problem, and your instructor should be slapped silly for ROBBING you

i am sorry, i HATE to be the one telling you this, but you are being played for a FOOL, and I am sure you dont know any better, but youy have been fooled and fed a line of crap

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Let me interject a polite reminder to calm down before things go past the point of politeness.

 

[ATC]

What I see is a, because I don't do it then it can't be done mentality. We can go round and round with this forever. We could show the proof and it would be dismissed so the whole thing is pointless. I know what I know. I have seen a 10 year old drop a 16 year old in his tracks, both in sparring and SD. So if you don't believe it so what. I am not saying that said 10 year old could handle himself in every and all situations but neither could any adult in every and all situations. So what's the real point here? Should a 10 year old hold a black belt rank? Well all I know is that I see many adults, that to me, don't deserve a black belt but they have them, even though they could not defend themselves from a fly. Believe what you want as it is just that a belief and nothing more, does not make it true or false in the end.

 

[Twin Fist]

What I see is a, because I don't do it then it can't be done mentality.

more like I dont do it, most people dont do it, it was never done before the 90's, it is only done in TKD, the self defense styles dont do it, and it is retarded so it shouldnt be done.

people CAN do whatever they want. I CAN think it is a crap sandwich. And I am not alone.

And BTW- i didnt dismiss you, i gave your kid a HUGE compliment, that his fighting looked, to me, to be Jr BB level.

TRUST ME thats a BIG compliment comming from me.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

It would be very difficult to catch my son adult or child. He has extensive SD training. He is has been focusing on the sportside but he will be doing allot of forms and self def again. He will be testing for 3rd in 3 months if he gets thru the 3 month prep period. All his black belt test have been with adults. He trains with adults and meets the same standards, The most important part of self def is to be aware of your surroundings. He has a very acute sense of awareness and this has kept him out of trouble so far.

Well, that sounds good. But it is also mostly relative.

I cannot make any comment on how difficult your son is to catch or what his situational awareness is like, though both difficult to catch and being aware are the most effective things that a kid can be trained in, as neither are affected by size and strength differential nor by age.

As for the rest, extensive is relative. What I consider extensive requires more time than a school age child will have had to train unless they live at the dojo and do not go to school.

As you know, standards vary enough from school to school that saying that your son is held to the same standards as the adults does not really say a whole lot except that the test is equitable between adults and kids.

Even the term SD is relative, given what passes for SD in some schools.

Daniel

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

more like I dont do it, most people dont do it, it was never done before the 90's, it is only done in TKD

I wish that this was true, but kiddie belts is certainly not unique to TKD, though due to the sheer quantity of TKD schools, it probably seems that way. I have seen it in TSD, various karate schools, and a hapkido school or two.

Daniel

 

[ralphmcpherson]

I wish that this was true, but kiddie belts is certainly not unique to TKD, though due to the sheer quantity of TKD schools, it probably seems that way. I have seen it in TSD, various karate schools, and a hapkido school or two.

Daniel

same thing over here too. There are kid black belts in almost all arts but tkd is the most popular martial art so in ratio there are more.

 

[Twin Fist]

well, we invented it.....

 

[ralphmcpherson]

well, we invented it.....

I did karate in 1987 and on my first night there I was instructed by a guy from my grade at school (we were 12 at the time) and he was a black belt , so it has been going on for a while now. It seems where there is money to be made people will exploit it.

 

[Twin Fist]

I started in 1984, and there was, in an org of five schools, a grand total of TWO jr black belts, and they both had to retest at 17 for Dan rank.

 

[dortiz]

"
Quote:
Originally Posted by dortiz
True but we should clear up one technical point. A Black Belt under 15 years of age is a Poom holder. Not a Dan.

That's not universal. "

From the other thread.

Maybe its not but every school Kukkiwon and some not that I attended in 26 years did it that way. Guess I somehow missed the Mcdojos.

Dave O.

 

[Gorilla]

what a bunch of crap

HE IS 12

he hasnt had TIME for extensive training in ANYTHING past not crapping in his pants

give me a ****ing break

I know, you have to believe all this crap, otherwise you are a fool for paying for it

i dont care

schools like YOURS are the problem, and your instructor should be slapped silly for ROBBING you

i am sorry, i HATE to be the one telling you this, but you are being played for a FOOL, and I am sure you dont know any better, but youy have been fooled and fed a line of crap

I have stated many times before we have 20 students in the 3 years I have been with our Master he has promoted 3 balck belts. We have 2 AAU National Team Members and 1 USAT B- team member. He has trained Dewey Cooper former K-1 Champion, He works with Steve Cantwell current UFC Light Heavy weight and Former WEC Champion. I would like to see you slap him it would be very funny. He only charges the Kukiwwon fee for his black belts. He charges 75 per month and we pay for his travel fees. He has a job and does TKD because he has a strong passion for it. I see you are a BBS tough guy very sad. We do Martial arts because we love it. We don't beat people up or start fights and we certainly don't make insulting assumptions. We don't have to we are true Martial Artists.

 

[dortiz]

I am dummy, whats a BBS??

 

[TKD_Father]

I am dummy, whats a BBS??

I see you are a BBS tough guy

Bulletin Board System? (If so, then commonly referred to as an "e-thug or web-bully")

 

[dortiz]

Thanks!

Guess I can be glad to not be in the know.

Cheers,

Dave O.

 

[dbell]

A Black Belt (1st Dan/Poom/etc) to me means that the student has learned the basics of that art and is able to teach what they know to others. As one progresses from 1st Dan/Poom on up the Dan ranks, it means that they have begun to learn even more about the Art, and have begun to understand the meaning behind all they have learned up to that point.

I find it hard to believe, in most cases, that a 9,10 or 11 year old person is able to understand the meanings behind what they are learning and that they can pass on that meaning to another student.

Now, that said, I often wonder how many of the "Adult" Black Belts have the ability or knowledge...

I do not think that youngsters should wear the belt, but I also respect those schools that decide to issue them. I only hope that they don't issue them for money reasons.

 

[The Last Legionary]

Rank doesn't mean squat. Guy's proud his rug rats got an attaboy in a McDojo. Good for him. Everyone should be proud of their kids, unless they are the Menendez's or Borden's.

Kids have rank in a particular school. Doesn't mean they hold rank in any other system, or that anyone else needs to recognize them as such. Last school I was at, you came in with someone elses blackbelt, you took it off and put on a white belt until you earned it there. Heard the owner tell one angry mommy he didn't care what someone else gave away, his students earned it and he didn't promote until they did. He turned a lot of people away, wasn't into the new age baby sitting crap so many strip mall belt mills are.

My arm reach is such that I'll just lean over a bit, pat little Tommy or Betty on her head and watch them punch air while I laugh. Then I'll pound the little 23rd dan with a nerf bat til Mommy screams "its not fair, he's bigger!".

 

[Twin Fist]

IMO

you are being robbed and brainwashed and you dont care or dont realize it, or thats what you want, sport fighting, not real martial arts

either way is sad

i dont care how good your kid is, he is TWELVE FRIGGIN YEARS OLD

he aint ready for 1st DAN, much less 3rd

and i would tell your instructor so too.

And it isnt because i am a "tough guy" it is because i am an honest guy. I am the one that tells the uncomfortable truths.

You have been robbed and misled, or you want it that way.

TLL
I would agree that parents should be proud of thier kids, but i would add "as long as the kid has done something to be proud of"

blah blah blah sport fighting blah blah blah olympic style crap blah blah blah personal insult blah blah blah more sport fighting crap pretending to be real martial arts blah blah blah

 

[Twin Fist]

A Black Belt (1st Dan/Poom/etc) to me means that the student has learned the basics of that art and is able to teach what they know to others.

I find it hard to believe, in most cases, that a 9,10 or 11 year old person is able to understand the meanings behind what they are learning and that they can pass on that meaning to another student.

thats because it isnt possible

any school that issues 2nd, 3rd, etc to PRETEENS is doing so to make money, pure and simple in my not so humble opinion, and the parents have too much of thier self esteem wrapped up in little johnny's accomplishments to admitt the truth, that thier KID, no matter how talented is in fact a KID, not an expert on anything of consequence.

 

[Twin Fist]

Gorilla, TKD Daddy,
you guys knock yourselves out. Do whatever makes you happy, go to whatever school makes you happy, clearly you like where you are at

but i'll tell you what

dont expect other people to buy into it