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I write in English and without fail every time you see something I haven't written, and don't understand what I have written. You can't be that stupid, so you must just be being deliberately obtuse. Where did I say you "all you need". kata? I said kata doesn't look like sparring because it is for SD and sparring is for fighting.
I've stated this in how many threads? Fifty...a hundred? Yes, different goals require different training.
Who said that?
It's people like Hanzou that make people think that all mma people hate traditional styles
Don't know why you rate Mackenzie dern so high. She's a good jiu jitsu styalist but is totally unproven in mma she's 3-0 against nobodies with 2 decisions and missed weight twice. It's far to early to say if she'll be elite or not
Why would we do that kata isn't for fighting.
The differences have been explained to you many many times by many different people and it is clear you will never understand the difference between fighting and self defence. That's not a problem, the problem is when you tyr to tell th me people who do understand what is and isn't useful for a given situation when you understand neither the given situation nor the tools being applied to it.
Either self defence is different to sports fighting or it isn't. You punch,kick and grapple in a sports fight.
Kata is merely a collection of punches, kicks, throws, and stances handed down through the generations. Kata wasn't designed to teach you how to talk down a mugger or yell for help. Kata was designed to teach you how to fight using the techniques of the style without ready access to an instructor. So essentially some old master could teach you a kata, then you'll never see him again, and you practice and perfect what he taught you.
the woman lack fighting ability, she's going to get raped
Yeah and the rest I've seen plenty of your posts about herWhere was I rating Dern? I simply said that she is a MMA fighter who practices a singular style, and that singular style happens to be Bjj.
And if someone is rude and dismissive and arrogant towards people who use a flintlock when it's what they enjoy using and get the benefits they want from it then the guys just a bit of a jerkThat's too bad for them, since I don't hate traditional styles.
Just like I don't hate classic cars and antique weaponry.
However if you tell me that a Model-T can perform as well as a Nissan GTR, or that a flintlock musket is equal to an AK-47, then I think you're full of crap.
Times do change, unfortunately (though for some people change is good). I've noticed that times can also change in different places at different times. I don't remember many Karate or Taekwondo schools who practiced freestyle sparring when I was younger. Where I lived, almost all the open-door martial arts schools were still practicing point-sparring (they weren't actually making any contact). Also, the competitions back then were very stylized. Karate practitioners only competed against other Karate practitioners. Judo only competed against Judo, and TKD only competed against TKD, that's just how it was. That was even up into the 1990's where I lived. But nowadays, it seems like every Karate and TKD style I see looks like kickboxing. There is a lot more contact-sparring now, with less stylized competitions occurring between different schools. I think it's good.
It's not necessarily binary, DB. It's more of a Venn diagram. There's overlap between sports fighting and SD, and there are areas that are different.Either self defence is different to sports fighting or it isn't. You punch,kick and grapple in a sports fight.
That is a shallow interpretation of kata. It is quite a bit more than what you've expressed your understanding to be. And just as important, if not more so, is the proper understanding of bunkai. A kata contains everything you do in the ring and quite a bit more i.e. punches, striking, kicking, grappling (standing and on the ground), joint locks/destruction, cavity pressing, throwing, sweeping etc.
Just no, because what you are saying is that a woman must fight the rapist and sometimes, in fact often, that's not something she can do for a number of reasons. It must be left to the woman how she deals with the situation and no blame must be attached if she decides not fighting is how she survives. The days of being killed or being battered to prove you have been raped are gone.
If you're trying to say that kata isn't designed for fighting, then I say there is a problem. Kata is merely a collection of punches, kicks, throws, and stances handed down through the generations. Kata wasn't designed to teach you how to talk down a mugger or yell for help. Kata was designed to teach you how to fight using the techniques of the style without ready access to an instructor. So essentially some old master could teach you a kata, then you'll never see him again, and you practice and perfect what he taught you.
The problem is that performing kata isn't the most efficient methodology to teach someone how to fight. The most efficient way to develop fighting skill is actually fighting. The next most efficient method is to practice fighting. On the other hand, one of the least effective methods to develop fighting skill is drilling a bunch of archaic and esoteric techniques in the air with little to no resistance. Kata, by and large is an obsolete practice that should be regulated to mere exercise, or to physically express your art's traditions. The idea that it is a substitute for sparring or fighting is frankly nonsense.
The next problem in your argument is the belief that self defense isn't fighting. If a woman is putting a rapist in a triangle choke and choking him out, she's fighting. When I had some sociopath trying to smash my head in with a hammer, I was fighting. If myself or the woman lack fighting ability, she's going to get raped, and I'm going to get dead. People are going to martial arts schools to learn how to defend themselves. That translates into them wanting to know how to FIGHT. This silly separation of the two really needs to stop. Clearly, self defense encompasses a variety of things outside of martial arts, but this is a martial arts forum, and we're talking about martial arts. To say that a series of prearranged kicks, punches, and throws isn't about teaching fighting is pretty flipping dumb.
If you're trying to say that kata isn't designed for fighting, then I say there is a problem. Kata is merely a collection of punches, kicks, throws, and stances handed down through the generations. Kata wasn't designed to teach you how to talk down a mugger or yell for help. Kata was designed to teach you how to fight using the techniques of the style without ready access to an instructor. So essentially some old master could teach you a kata, then you'll never see him again, and you practice and perfect what he taught you.
The problem is that performing kata isn't the most efficient methodology to teach someone how to fight. The most efficient way to develop fighting skill is actually fighting. The next most efficient method is to practice fighting. On the other hand, one of the least effective methods to develop fighting skill is drilling a bunch of archaic and esoteric techniques in the air with little to no resistance. Kata, by and large is an obsolete practice that should be regulated to mere exercise, or to physically express your art's traditions. The idea that it is a substitute for sparring or fighting is frankly nonsense.
The next problem in your argument is the belief that self defense isn't fighting. If a woman is putting a rapist in a triangle choke and choking him out, she's fighting. When I had some sociopath trying to smash my head in with a hammer, I was fighting. If myself or the woman lack fighting ability, she's going to get raped, and I'm going to get dead. People are going to martial arts schools to learn how to defend themselves. That translates into them wanting to know how to FIGHT. This silly separation of the two really needs to stop. Clearly, self defense encompasses a variety of things outside of martial arts, but this is a martial arts forum, and we're talking about martial arts. To say that a series of prearranged kicks, punches, and throws isn't about teaching fighting is pretty flipping dumb.
And if someone is rude and dismissive and arrogant towards people who use a flintlock when it's what they enjoy using and get the benefits they want from it then the guys just a bit of a jerk
So you don't shadow box then? Or don't do drills in the air. Your coach doesn't call out combinations for you to use in shadow boxing? Because that's exactly the same as kata
Well guess what both have bullets both fire bullets both kill you if you get hit. If I get shot I'm not thinking oh at least I didn't get hit by that new gunPerhaps people who use flintlocks shouldn't attempt to argue that their weapons are as good, if not better than modern ones.
Uh, in shadow boxing you're using jabs, hooks, uppercuts, footwork, and other movements that you would use in the ring. I have yet to see a karateka ever use the vertical punches shown in Heian Godan, or the series of hand techniques seen in Papuren.
Well guess what you're wrong pretty much ever kata I've ever done has blocks punches kicks jabs hooks and uppercuts so maybe you should stop pretending you know everything and try and learn something and stop being so full of yourself just a thoughtUh, in shadow boxing you're using jabs, hooks, uppercuts, footwork, and other movements that you would use in the ring. I have yet to see a karateka ever use the vertical punches shown in Heian Godan, or the series of hand techniques seen in Papuren.
Ah, but let's continue that thought. In a sport competition you punch, kick and grapple a single, unarmed opponent using a pre-arranged rule set that both abide by, in a controlled environment.
You get one or more rest breaks.
Have corner people to advise you and treat any injuries you may have sustained.
And if you've had enough you can quit and walk away.