Blade96
Senior Master
ann coulter just didnt want to pay her taxes. 
Why Ann Coulter is great.
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Where can I find an 'emporer' to worship, will it cost much or is it for socialists only?
Bilichik you do know that the Nazis were Fascists don't you? As were Mussolini's lot oh and the Spanish, very much NOT socialists.
Please do your history and forget this blind hate of the thing you've invented and called socialism. It's really not healthy......................though very amusing!
Please do your history and forget this blind hate of the thing you've invented and called socialism. It's really not healthy......................though very amusing!
ah, the amusement factor is wearing thing after the umpteenth rerun: Not Fox News = COMMUNIST
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I'm reminded of a time when a jehovas witness asked me if I believed in god. I answered no. next she asked if I believed in satan. I didn't tell her wh a silly question that was.
I'm pretty sure that there are more buddhists in the world than christians. Combining every non christian religion throughout history is pretty sillyand in the context of this discussionboth lady and intellectually dishonest.
christianity has only existed for 2010 years. comparing that to every other religion and non religion doesn't make much sense.
I don't blame you, bill. Its threads like this that make me wish there were mental self defense classes, teaching people some basic critical thinking skills.
I'm pretty sure that there are more buddhists in the world than christians. Combining every non christian religion throughout history is pretty sillyand in the context of this discussionboth lady and intellectually dishonest.
christianity has only existed for 2010 years. comparing that to every other religion and non religion doesn't make much sense.
I don't blame you, bill. Its threads like this that make me wish there were mental self defense classes, teaching people some basic critical thinking skills.
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Modern humans have been on the earth for 200 000 – 400 000 years, belief in a single deity has existed for maybe 3500 years, the Christian god, about 2000. There have also been only about 100 billion modern humans ever to have existed.
So essentially for only 1% of our existence, we’ve had morals and ethics, everyone else, in every other time was a heathen barbarian who didn’t know how to love their children, didn’t know how to respect their fellow man, and were involved in wars all the time.
Do me a favour? Go call up some fundamental American Christian leaders or some members of the RC clergy and ask them about stealing money from hardworking parishioners while diddling prostitutes and little boys, and ask them about morality.
So essentially for only 1% of our existence, we’ve had morals and ethics, everyone else, in every other time was a heathen barbarian who didn’t know how to love their children, didn’t know how to respect their fellow man, and were involved in wars all the time.
Do me a favour? Go call up some fundamental American Christian leaders or some members of the RC clergy and ask them about stealing money from hardworking parishioners while diddling prostitutes and little boys, and ask them about morality.
Darksoul
Black Belt
-Look, I just want to know if these threads are being posted as serious comment/discussion material for the board or simply to get a rise out of people. I don't mind have my beliefs challenged, heck, I love learning about other people's ways of thinking or point of views, simply because it makes me a better person, broadens the mental horizons. But some of this seems to be targeted troll mongering.
(Okay, that last line is made up, but I'm sure everyone understands what I'm saying.)
Andrew
(Okay, that last line is made up, but I'm sure everyone understands what I'm saying.)
Andrew
Agreed, there seems to be a great deal of trolling lately, whether its from a Troll is another matter.
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From Chapter 4, Left Right Dichotomy, Thomas Sowell, in his book "Intellectuals and Society": "...there is remarkably little difference between Communists and Fascists, except for rhetoric, and there is far more in common between fascists and even the moderate left than between them and the traditional conservatives in the American sense."
"Communism is socialism with an international focus and totalitarian methods. Benito Mussolini, the founder of Fascism, defined fascism as national socialism in a state that was totalitarian, a term that he also coined. The same idea was echoed in the name of the National Socialist German Worker's Party in Germany, Hitler's party, now almost always abbreviated as Nazis, thereby burying its socialist component. Viewed in retrospect, the most prominent feature of the Nazis-racism in general and anti-jewish racism in particular-was not inherent in the fascist vision, but was an obsession of Hitler's party, not shared by the fascist government of Mussolini in Italy or that of Franco in Spain."
"Communism is socialism with an international focus and totalitarian methods. Benito Mussolini, the founder of Fascism, defined fascism as national socialism in a state that was totalitarian, a term that he also coined. The same idea was echoed in the name of the National Socialist German Worker's Party in Germany, Hitler's party, now almost always abbreviated as Nazis, thereby burying its socialist component. Viewed in retrospect, the most prominent feature of the Nazis-racism in general and anti-jewish racism in particular-was not inherent in the fascist vision, but was an obsession of Hitler's party, not shared by the fascist government of Mussolini in Italy or that of Franco in Spain."
No matter ow many time you parade this 'evidence' out. It's still not the same. A cow is not a pig even if both end up on the dinner plate...
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From Chapter 4, Left and Right Dichotomy, in Thomas Sowell's book, "intellectuals and society":
"What distinguished Fascist movements in general from Communist movements was that the Communists were officially committed to governmental ownership of the means of production,while fascists permitted private ownership of the means of production, so long as government directed the private owner's decisions and limited what profit rates they could recieve. Both were totalitarian dictatorships but Communists were officially internationalist while Fascists were officially nationalist. However, Stalin's proclaimed policy of "Socialism in one country" was not very different from the Fascists' proclaimed policy of national socialism"
"WHEN IT CAME TO PRACTICE, THERE WAS EVEN LESS DIFFERENCE, SINCE THE COMMUNIST INTERNAITONAL SERVED THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OF THE SOVIET UNION, DESPITE WHATEVER INTERNATIONALIST RHETORIC IT USED."
"What distinguished Fascist movements in general from Communist movements was that the Communists were officially committed to governmental ownership of the means of production,while fascists permitted private ownership of the means of production, so long as government directed the private owner's decisions and limited what profit rates they could recieve. Both were totalitarian dictatorships but Communists were officially internationalist while Fascists were officially nationalist. However, Stalin's proclaimed policy of "Socialism in one country" was not very different from the Fascists' proclaimed policy of national socialism"
"WHEN IT CAME TO PRACTICE, THERE WAS EVEN LESS DIFFERENCE, SINCE THE COMMUNIST INTERNAITONAL SERVED THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OF THE SOVIET UNION, DESPITE WHATEVER INTERNATIONALIST RHETORIC IT USED."
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But they are still both mammals, as communism, fascism, and national socialism are all socialism under different names. Names, like Nazi, which are used by one group of socialists, the communists, to get out from under their history of mass murder by calling the other group fascists.
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From Chapter 4, Left and Right dichotomay, from Thomas Sowell's book, "intellectuals and Society":
"In short, the notion that Communists and Fascists were at polar opposite poles ideologically WAS NOT TRUE, even in theory, much less in practice. As for similarities and differences between these two totalitarian movements and liberalism on the one hand, or conservatism(American) on the other, there was far more similarity between these totalitarian's agendas and those ot the left than with the agendas of most conservatives. FOR EXAMPLE, AMONG THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDAS OF THE FASCISTS IN ITALY AND/OR THE NAZIS IN GERMANY WERE:
1-GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF WAGES AND HOURS OF WORK
2-HIGHER TAXES ON THE WEALTHY
3-GOVERNMENT-SET LIMITS ON PROFITS
4-GOVERNMENT CARE FOR THE ELDERLY
5-A DECREASED EMPHASIS ON THE ROLE OF RELIGION AND THE FAMILY IN PERSONAL OR SOCIAL DECISIONS
6GOVERNMENT TAKING ON THE ROLE OF CHANGING THE NATURE OF PEOPLE, USUALLY BEGINNING IN EARLY CHILDHOOD....
THESE ARE OF COURSE THINGS OPPOSED BY MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED "CONSERVATIVES" IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY ARE THINGS MUCH MORE CONGENIAL TO THE GENERAL APPROACH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED "LIBERALS" IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL CONTEXT.
"In short, the notion that Communists and Fascists were at polar opposite poles ideologically WAS NOT TRUE, even in theory, much less in practice. As for similarities and differences between these two totalitarian movements and liberalism on the one hand, or conservatism(American) on the other, there was far more similarity between these totalitarian's agendas and those ot the left than with the agendas of most conservatives. FOR EXAMPLE, AMONG THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDAS OF THE FASCISTS IN ITALY AND/OR THE NAZIS IN GERMANY WERE:
1-GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF WAGES AND HOURS OF WORK
2-HIGHER TAXES ON THE WEALTHY
3-GOVERNMENT-SET LIMITS ON PROFITS
4-GOVERNMENT CARE FOR THE ELDERLY
5-A DECREASED EMPHASIS ON THE ROLE OF RELIGION AND THE FAMILY IN PERSONAL OR SOCIAL DECISIONS
6GOVERNMENT TAKING ON THE ROLE OF CHANGING THE NATURE OF PEOPLE, USUALLY BEGINNING IN EARLY CHILDHOOD....
THESE ARE OF COURSE THINGS OPPOSED BY MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED "CONSERVATIVES" IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY ARE THINGS MUCH MORE CONGENIAL TO THE GENERAL APPROACH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED "LIBERALS" IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL CONTEXT.
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Socialists, who tend to be less religous, wether atheists or not, have murdered more people in the name of helping people than religion has. You may not like to think that Communists, fascists and National socialists share the title socialism, but you cannot make it not true.
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Ken, you missed the point of the atheist part. I am not saying atheists and pagans are bad. Ramirez or Omar, I forget which one said it, stated that religion has killed more people around the world. They are wrong. Atheists, who happen to follow the belief in socialism, and pagans, the SS in germany or the imperial soldiers in Japan who worshiped the Emporer, are not in fact Chrisitans. Because they are not chrisitians, they come under the nonjudgmental term Pagan, or those who do not believe in chrisitanity. Thats all.
So no one in the SS was a Xtian?
You have no clue what Paganism is, anymore than what socialism is.
Have a good look around the world and find out which countries have democratic socialist governments.
BTW, by your definition, Jesus was a Pagan.:uhyeah:
You have no clue what Paganism is, anymore than what socialism is.
Have a good look around the world and find out which countries have democratic socialist governments.
BTW, by your definition, Jesus was a Pagan.:uhyeah:
So rather then refute his assertion, you just dismiss it out of hand with no 'evidence' to back it up.
So, in order to enlighten us, tell us the differences between facism and socialism that purport to show that they are not even remotely similar.
Dude....you said that atheists are responsible for some of the worst crimes in human history......how can i misconstrue that?
BTW:
The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.
Sam Harris
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Thomas Sowell makes a point about the democratic left and their (in my words) evil twins the totalitarian left being similar in their goals as you saw above. If you have a chance, check out that chapter when you go to borders or barnes and noble. also, When I first got cable it seemed like every other program on the history channel was something about Nazi Germany. I started calling it the Nazi channel because of all those programs. One program in particlular dealth with the SS. It talked about this new type of teutonicish religion they made up and it showed one of their "temples". THe hard core nazis blamed christians for some sort of Aryan gencide and the Nazis did not like them because of it. That is why I would consider the members of the SS leadership, in particular, pagans, as in not being christians.
