What can a boxer gain from WC?
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Martial D
Senior Master
I guess that depends on context. In the context of effectiveness in fighting and sparring, there might be a few courses missing.
jobo
Grandmaster
i thought there was only one wing Chun? I'm aware that some styles have integrated boxing moves, abd that seems like,a wise thing, i think they call it wing Chun boxing, but integrating wing chun movies in to boxing would be like integrating a,spectrum 64 with an iPad, it can only make it worse
Martial D
Senior Master
How many years have you trained in Wing Chun?
jobo
Grandmaster
about as many as i have,using a spectrum 64, that doesn't mean my views on the usefulness of either are compromised.
they were both ok in the distant past,
Martial D
Senior Master
So none then.
Do you think the views of someone that has never trained in a style should been seen as comprehensive?
Also, what do you think of JKD?
jobo
Grandmaster
i don't consider my view as comprehensive, merely definitive
so go on then which wing Chun move would greatly enhance boxing?
Martial D
Senior Master
Ok let me put it a different way. You do realize that boxing is actually older than WC I assume.
So with that said, how do you think someone would fare in today's ring using the skillset of say, John l Sullivan?
jobo
Grandmaster
well who's view should count with me more than my own, i don't need to waste some years of my life to come to the exactly same conclusion as i have now.
there are a considerable number of things I've come to the quite reasonable conclusion to avoid, with out having tried them out, these range from eating dog poo to borrowing of a loan shark, wing Chun is in the middle some where
jobo
Grandmaster
well yes, boxing has evolved through competing, if it doesn't work to well it gets dropped, if it does it get adapted by others.
that's the very reason that boxing and mma are superior, and wing Chun is not
I don't think any Wing Chun move would necessarily enhance boxing as a sport. But there is a lot within WC that addresses areas deficient in boxing as self defense. Close, low kicks, grabbing, trapping and controlling ...that sport boxing can't use because of gloves, and so on.
The problem is, I believe other arts found within the MMA spectrum address some of these issues in a way that would be easier to assimilate into boxing than Wing Chun. So I wouldn't try marketing WC to a boxer as a way of improving their self-defense skills either.
Ultimately, I thing WC is it's own thing. And for all Jobo's tactless, in-your-face, killer clown comments... well, as usual, he does have a point. WC is probably in more need of adapting to the modern world than boxing. This is why I'm interested in and supportive of the efforts of people like Alan Orr and our own KPM.
Tactless, but somewhat true. Not only of WC ...but of me personally! Oh well, as they say, getting older is not for the faint of heart.
Martial D
Senior Master
Well you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is admittedly completely uninformed. I have a ton of experience and training in both of these things, so you'll excuse me if I don't put too much weight on what you have to say on this matter.
jobo
Grandmaster
you might have a point except that nothing you have said about incorporating wing Chun moves into boxing disagree with my view, so there we are, you have x years experiance and i don't, but we came to the same conclusion .
i do have kung fu experience, not fortunately the wing Chun variety, go image if i had wasted two years of my life on that, id be very bitter
Martial D
Senior Master
Again, I already gave a LIST of WC elements I personally incorporate. Where we might agree is that WC in it's current state is insufficient as a stand alone art for fighting
jobo
Grandmaster
i have no views on jkd, i think lau gar is pretty good though
DanT
2nd Black Belt
Such as?
