Sine Wave was implemented about 25 years into Taekwon-Do. It was not part of the original system promoted. I don't think it's subjective that Chang Hon-TKD lifted it's handtechniques from Karate and tweaked the coloured Katas from Shotokan. Pretty damning evidence.
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Sine Wave was implemented about 25 years into Taekwon-Do. It was not part of the original system promoted. I don't think it's subjective that Chang Hon-TKD lifted it's handtechniques from Karate and tweaked the coloured Katas from Shotokan. Pretty damning evidence.
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You missed my point, but it's not worth discussing further. Good luck to you.
Earl Weiss
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Chalk up another error for Prototype. The term "Sine Wave" makes it's appearance in the 1980 Encyclopedia. That's 36 years ago. Further, the knee flexing which is what causes the "Sine Wave" mention appears in the 1972 book. In the 1970's we referred to the Up Down motion as "Spring Style".
Earl Weiss
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If you imply that he would be sued for copying or plagiarizing, that has no more merit than saying the same orgs would be sued by orgs doing Shorin and Shorei.
Earl Weiss
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Except that he credits not to the Japanese system, but the Okinawan predecessors..
Accuser: Gishin Funakoshi. Defendenant: Choi Hong Hi. Accusation: Plagiarism.
Now that's a trial I would pay to see. I would expect Choi to rant and rave about the Japanese stealing Taekkyon kicking (lol) and Funakoshi to ask for his patterns back (...)
I wonder who wins that one.
Now that's a trial I would pay to see. I would expect Choi to rant and rave about the Japanese stealing Taekkyon kicking (lol) and Funakoshi to ask for his patterns back (...)
I wonder who wins that one.
Umm.... maybe you don't realize this, but Master Weiss, the man you're attempting to argue the legal merits of this hypothetical case with, is actually a lawyer. You know... someone who gets paid to know about this stuff.
And of course, given the effectiveness of the industry in stopping international piracy (you know, the well known duping of DVDs in China, for example) TODAY, I really doubt your hypothetical international plagiarism suite would have gotten very far. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I will absolutely concede to whatever information Master Weiss provides on this subject.
I'm neither TKD nor a lawyer but I also with go with what Master Weiss says on subjects he knows about.
Personally I think Prototype is what we call in Yorkshire sh*t stirring.
Doesn't mean that he is a criminal defence lawyer. There are different types of lawyers you know...
I do know. And I know that any lawyer, regardless of focus, is going to know more about the law than a layman. Just as it's safe to assume that I know more about obstetrics than a layman, even though it's not my specialty.
Legal cases are often times lost due to incompetent attorneys. I'm not saying Mr. Weiss falls into this category and no disrespect intended. My point is... because someone has passed the bar and practices law, does not automatically mean they have the right answers. The same holds true for any profession.
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A criminal defence lawyer wouldn't deal with a plagiarism case as this is a civil matter. Such things as plagiarism etc are covered while taking your law degree and then again while training to be a lawyer. A law graduate spends time training to be an actual lawyer or solicitor before specialising, a law degree doesn't make you a lawyer.
I would say it's a safe bet that Mr. Weiss would know a fair bit about something that also involves his martial arts studies.
Well since they are both dead I would guess no one.
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Well since they are both dead i would guess no one.
Perhaps we could have a séance....where they both turned round and said 'STFU and train'
And we all said 'amen' to that.Earl Weiss
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Hmm, seems Protoype messed up again. Another Bad conclusion based on an erroneous premise.
Earl Weiss
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Well then we can continue to argue about how many angels fit on the head of a a pin. Would the Okinawans join in claimin Funakoshi copied there stuff, and of course then the chines come in claiming the same of the Okinawans.
The History of the Shotokan Kata – Part One.
Why is this conspicuously absent from your complaints?
Earl Weiss
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I stand corrected- to an extent . Misread your post as "25 Years Ago" as opposed to "25 Years Into" which is of course the first publication of the term. As indicated, long before that the knee flexion existed and was referred to in the USA informally as "Spring Style".
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