Would you say, then, that it is in contrast to how long male newbies will stay behind and train by how much they talk during their first session?
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Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
Would you say, then, that it is in contrast to how long male newbies will stay behind and train by how much they talk during their first session?
No, with guys it can't be determined that way, at least I can't.
Doc_Jude
3rd Black Belt
Yeah, & I guess that whole "Shut Up & Train!" comment just came out of left field, huh?
So then, could you expound please? Is it an instructor's reaction to the Chatty Kathys you're noticing, or a general lack of enthusiasm on the part of the women?
And how are the men different?
My Wado Ryu, Tang Soo Do, MMA etc experience tells me that perhaps your class is not encouraging women properly! perhaps they aren't welcome, maybe they talk during class because they don't understand the instructor and are trying hard to keep up by asking each other? Perhaps they are afraid to ask the instructor so are trying to work it out between them? Men as we all know do not ask for instructions or directions! Maybe you've only had a couple of women in the class lol!
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
The hypocrisy surrounding that quote will be covered in a future rant.
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
Basically, from what I've observed, the women who don't talk a lot are genuinely interested in what they've just discovered.
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
We, just like every other dojo in my area (at least), attract a certain type of clientele based on our approach towards training, nothing else.
Very likely. Though in most of the cases they'd have less difficulties understanding if they'd listened half as much as they talked.
Also very likely.
I do and have always done more than anyone else around me, and yes. Though my primary instructor when I started out was female.
Doc_Jude
3rd Black Belt
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
I said earlier that you can't tell the same way with men. There are guys who talk a lot during their first session who keep up training for a relatively long time. Of course the same probably holds true for some women, but I haven't seen it.
Occasionally, someone's feelings get hurt.
I would retort that the world of martial arts is still very much a man's world; not to say there aren't prominent female figures, but truthfully very few.
I imagine many women probably seek some some solidarity amongst each other and perhaps some reassurance from male counterparts when thrust (even if willingly so) into an environment where tradition and filial piety are tantamount to success. It could be that resistance is met when we females already carry so much internally which we are trained from the very beginning to never express - that could be from culture, nurture, evolution ....
Admittedly, I have seen many women quit when weapon training begins and when it becomes challenging - this is frustrating for me, though I've become accustomed to it.
I also wonder if some women might be more successful if appropriately encouraged or reassured by their male counterparts and some higher-ranking females if made available.
Perhaps all some of us can do is observe, judge and rant. :idunno:
And so the cycle continues ....
I imagine many women probably seek some some solidarity amongst each other and perhaps some reassurance from male counterparts when thrust (even if willingly so) into an environment where tradition and filial piety are tantamount to success. It could be that resistance is met when we females already carry so much internally which we are trained from the very beginning to never express - that could be from culture, nurture, evolution ....
Admittedly, I have seen many women quit when weapon training begins and when it becomes challenging - this is frustrating for me, though I've become accustomed to it.
I also wonder if some women might be more successful if appropriately encouraged or reassured by their male counterparts and some higher-ranking females if made available.
Perhaps all some of us can do is observe, judge and rant. :idunno:
And so the cycle continues ....
I get the feeling, ever so slightly, that you don't actually like training with women.
A couple of years a go I went to a seminar where some of the participants were from a Ninjutsu club. they were very sweet and nice men, they wore home made clothes and hand made rope shoes.They claimed to do techniques that were centuries old and were full contact. Sadly their idea of full contact and ours was a little different. They were very into the spirit of being back in the past, more like a re-enactment society or a boys gang!
A couple of years a go I went to a seminar where some of the participants were from a Ninjutsu club. they were very sweet and nice men, they wore home made clothes and hand made rope shoes.They claimed to do techniques that were centuries old and were full contact. Sadly their idea of full contact and ours was a little different. They were very into the spirit of being back in the past, more like a re-enactment society or a boys gang!
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
Oh boy...
Not oh girl! then?
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
"FRANCIS: ...provided the Movement never forgets that it is the inalienable right of every man--
STAN: Or woman.
FRANCIS: Or woman... to rid himself--
STAN: Or herself.
FRANCIS: Or herself.
REG: Agreed.
FRANCIS: Thank you, brother.
STAN: Or sister.
FRANCIS: Or sister. Where was I?
REG: I think you'd finished."
STAN: Or woman.
FRANCIS: Or woman... to rid himself--
STAN: Or herself.
FRANCIS: Or herself.
REG: Agreed.
FRANCIS: Thank you, brother.
STAN: Or sister.
FRANCIS: Or sister. Where was I?
REG: I think you'd finished."
What's that American for? translator please!
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
It's from a movie by the Monty Python gang called "Life of Brian".
That's nice, what's the point you are trying to make?
