Thank you for a reply kidswarrior an MJS and fnorfurfoot, not looking for a ring cause was thinking man no wonder Kenpo cost so much. The sword thing sounds even more expensive to me. I once looked in to kenpo like i said it cost way to much for me to attend, think around a 125 bucks a month for like four classes a week in Kansas City actually in the in Independance Mo. I have studied Tai Chi Chuan, Hsing Yi, Bagua and WIng Chung for around 20 some years. I choose not to take kenpo do to the high cost to me. That ring has to cost around 200 usd, the sword if a real functional 800 usd or better. Sword mean if not a wall hanger is very expensive. Thankyou for not flaming on me an totally forgot thte search thing first.