The essence of Tai Chi push hand kung fu

[windwalker099]

This is going backward (no leg skill allowed). I prefer to go forward and send my students to Sanda instead.

ok

Take it you have not competed in it, nor trained interacted with people who do compete
Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Mention this feeling a lot of questions might be answered...
as to why this or that is done or not.

People I've met in China, Taiwan the range of PH they do is pretty large, as well as intensity...
If you prefer leg skill, some probably wouldn't have much a problem accommodating it.
On the other hand, one might find out why it might not be a good idea to try it....ya never know..

Not a fan of ph, as its practiced by many...
Do use it at times as a kind of testing ground...
meeting people, making friends...

 

[windwalker099]

You continued to come back at me with him trying to justify what he is doing, I can only assume in an attempt to get me to see the error of my ways..

You know what they say about assuming...things

"Justify" some else's work...
Thinking only they can do it..and those that follow it
as in training, or practicing it, finding some value or interest in it.

Others might find it interesting or not...

If you want to post "one liners" as a critique of something or someone.
Please do it on some ones else thread.

If you want to share a presumably informed view point.
by all means continue.

If you say your "done" then be done

no reply needed...

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Take it you have not competed in it, nor trained interacted with people who do compete

Through my tournament years, I have never competed in any Taiji PH tournament.

 

[Same Trick]

My Shifu was not impressed by him either, did not think he was all that good..... I'm done here, you want to be impressed by him, go for it, but do not expect me to be.

I think his taiji forms performance is really great, there’s absolutely more to it than just for forms competition, I can see that it can bring on jealousy to some.
As for his PH it’s best to try him out on it to be able make a sound judgement.

 

[Same Trick]

Through my tournament years, I have never competed in any Taiji PH tournament.

Neither have I , however now when gettin “older” it’s probably the game of competition I’d enter if I do

 

[Xue Sheng]

I think his taiji forms performance is really great, there’s absolutely more to it than just for forms competition, I can see that it can bring on jealousy to some.
As for his PH it’s best to try him out on it to be able make a sound judgement.

Jealousy has nothing to do with it..... and I was not talking push hands, or his form, I was talking about his applications and his treatment of students....but like I said...I'm done with that part of this discussion, so either drop it with me, or expect no further response on it...have a nice day

 

[Xue Sheng]

You know what they say about assuming...things

"Justify" some else's work...
Thinking only they can do it..and those that follow it
as in training, or practicing it, finding some value or interest in it.

Others might find it interesting or not...

If you want to post "one liners" as a critique of something or someone.
Please do it on some ones else thread.

If you want to share a presumably informed view point.
by all means continue.

If you say your "done" then be done

no reply needed...

Well Grandmaster..... Sorry you take someone disagreeing with you so poorly..... but if you are not going to respond to things I write and make accusations based on things I haven't said, all I have left to say is ..... go away boy ya bother me.... have a nice day....

 

[windwalker099]

go away boy ya bother me.... have a nice day.

In Chinese there is a saying

真正會咬人的狗不會叫

yes indeed have a nice day...

 

[Xue Sheng]

In Chinese there is a saying

真正會咬人的狗不會叫

yes indeed have a nice day...

That by the way is against MT Rules..... have to post translation
You at least have a mastery of using Emoji's in an insulting manner, also you are pretty good at troll tactics
And I recommend you don't continue this attack, that is unless you are trying to get your post locked....

But to response properly to your Chinese insult, as it applies to me wasting time to continue this conversation with you....

对牛弹琴
Duìniútánqín
playing the lute to a cow

 

[windwalker099]

That by the way is against MT Rules..... have to post translation

good to know

真正會咬人的狗不會叫

Dogs, that bite, don't bark.

not an insult, an observation

If you don't have any thing to add to the topic.
post on another thread or start one of your own....

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Should that matter?

There are many ways to look at a movement, demo it based
on ones focus and skill set.

What he showed within his skill set range, is just one of them.

Found it interesting that he did not use the first point of contact, considering his many demos showing,
the first point of contact being the one used.

His background was in southern mantis before Taiji.
Seems like remnants of his previous training show through.

This guy’s posture is a poor example. He does not pass the shirt test.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

single whip "单鞭" (dān biān)
hook to the head

Poor examples at best.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

1) I am not a fan of Adam Mizner

2) There are other applications to single whip

There are better everythings.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

good to know

真正會咬人的狗不會叫

Dogs, that bite, don't bark.

not an insult, an observation

If you don't have any thing to add to the topic.
post on another thread or start one of your own....

Good to know. You bark an awful lot.

 

[windwalker099]

太极拳单鞭实战用法：挒如撕物！实用！Taichi
Practical Application of Tai Chi Single Whip: Splitting Like Tearing Material! Practical! Taichi

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This teacher's method a little different...tighter, closer range...
As mentioned the point of contact, determines a lot of the usage ..

In Adam's clip he uses the point of contact to get to the body...
a little surprising, considering his focus on attaching, joining, sticking, controlling

 

[windwalker099]

Good to know. You bark an awful lot.

You left out something

If you don't have any thing to add to the topic.
post on another thread or start one of your own....

it's much more interesting reading....

 

[Same Trick]

Jealousy has nothing to do with it..... and I was not talking push hands, or his form, I was talking about his applications and his treatment of students....but like I said...I'm done with that part of this discussion, so either drop it with me, or expect no further response on it...have a nice day

Thanks ! It sure is a nice sunny day here in Huainan, hope you too have same experience .

As i wrote, I think his form performance is first rate, suggesting a deeper skill, he can probably display a whole range of applications to each and every move.
But again, for sound judgement on his PH and applications one should probably touch hands with him.
You seen those pics off YCF doing applications of the forms moves ? They look crazy silly, but I’m firmly sure he had got quite some weight to back them up for the nonbelievers who tried him.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Chang Taiji free flow sensitivity training:

This is like two little kids. No legs, shoulders up by their ears, using hands to guide rather than feet or body.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Thanks ! It sure is a nice sunny day here in Huainan, hope you too have same experience .

As i wrote, I think his form performance is first rate, suggesting a deeper skill, he can probably display a whole range of applications to each and every move.
But again, for sound judgement on his PH and applications one should probably touch hands with him.
You seen those pics off YCF doing applications of the forms moves ? They look crazy silly, but I’m firmly sure he had got quite some weight to back them up for the nonbelievers who tried him.

My Sigung went to train with YCF. He said YCF was fat and just pushed his students around. He was not impressed. YCF changed some things with the form that man6 people did not appreciate as improvement.

 

[Appledog]

For those who claim this is not push hands or taiji skill sets, ect.
the best way to show this is to meet up with the locals and demo
your skill..

The Tai Chi locals, you mean.

That said, it remains a standard within the Taiji community. To gain respect, one must still possess the skills that push hands was meant to develop to demonstrate or share something beyond the competitive aspects with those who focus on them

This is noble,

It's not my thing, except that in the circles I move in, one has to have the same skill sets to gain the respect of others before they pay any attention to what is said.

but this is offensive.

If Master Yap pretended to know Tai Chi too, I'd yell at him too.