Siu Lim Tau Comparison

[KPM]

Oh, plug it, would ya?

---So does that mean you have no intention of sharing information about WSLVT's SNT form? Why is that?


I don't know NI's system, and as we found out, he has more than one definition of Bridge, and it's not the same as yours. Wouldn't have know that without asking, would we?

---I agree with everything NI has said about the "bridge" so far, and it is in line with how I explained it in the thread I mentioned above. But you have a short memory.



And I will point out that KPM is now up to post 1,963 on this forum, and the number of those sharing any depth of information can be counted on one hand.

---Again, you have a short memory. I have shared plenty in this forum, far more than you. If anyone doubts that they need only check our respective profile pages.

 

[LFJ]

How many months or years ago was your last detail-rich and informative post on your system?

 

[KPM]

I made a detailed post in the Lop Da thread explaining how Pin Sun Wing Chun views and performs this drill. But you probably missed that.

 

[anerlich]

That was not a qualitative judgement, mind you.

So, it was quantitative? No idea what you are on about.

 

[LFJ]

I made a detailed post in the Lop Da thread explaining how Pin Sun Wing Chun views and performs this drill. But you probably missed that.

So, about a month and a half ago.

And how many dozens of posts since then have been just whining about something?

 

[LFJ]

So, it was quantitative? No idea what you are on about.

Well, yeah. Meaning not pertaining to the quality of the material, but to the degree of comprehensiveness.

 

[KPM]

So, about a month and a half ago.

And how many dozens of posts since then have been just whining about something?

And how many multiple dozens of posts of yours have been dodging questions, posing questions to others, and generally avoiding sharing information on an equal basis? How many times have you avoided answering direct questions posed to you? How many times have you made a cryptic post with a comment about "think about this" or "I'll let you sit on this one" rather than just sharing information? How many people have you managed to tick off with the way you post and the attitude you take here???

 

[LFJ]

The information you were looking for was given to you. You even replied to it but didn't have the brainpower to recognize it because you were preoccupied with arguing.

How many people have you managed to tick off with the way you post and the attitude you take here???

By the way, once again, NI and I were having a fine conversation until you came along whining again. Same thing happened on the last thread with Juany.

 

[wtxs]

And I will point out LFJ is now up to post #435 in this thread that was about comparing SNT forms across lineages. He and Guy have mentioned there being a "little idea" at the core of the WSLVT SNT form, but haven't yet really shared with anyone what that "little idea" actually is....even after asking probing questions of others to get them to share about their own system. Instead, LFJ posted to take the thread in a completely different direction and distract everyone from this point.

That is deflection, and they say they don't have or use that concept in their VT for fighting ... maybe they have it only for keyboard battles.

 

[lansao]

I would like to see the Wing Chun forms with the foot movement beyond the pivot. I usually see the forms where someone is just standing still in one spot. Don't worry I'm not one of those guys that believes there's only one correct way to do Wing Chun.

Thanks for the videos. I didn't see them until after I typed this message

Hey JowGaWolf,

Here is a quick video of our footwork exercise. It's freshly uploaded so the link may need a moment to "process" before it works:

~ Alan, Wing Chun Student

 

[Wingchunese]

Only read the Op.

Why would you compare Yip man to William Cheung's " traditional made up wing chun" and suspect Hung Fa Yi?

Wouldn't it have been better to see Yip man --> Yuen Kay San--> Yiu Choi?

 

[lansao]

Are you saying that the little idea in TWC is to enter a meditative mental state, breathe in a particular way, perform slowly, and learn the ABC of wing chun?

Is there no particular idea?

I'm late to this thread and catching up. That said, this seems like a good spot to share my interpretation of "little idea" as it relates back to mathematical and musical expression. The Sil Lum Tao, aside from structural benefits, offers a dictionary of simplified movements that are abstracted from application, and for good reason.

When practicing the piano, you'll find yourself working on very minute (and not very musical) technique. The substance of that technique varies from artist to artist, period to period, but the idea of simplifying and abstracting those movements into small (little) patterns (ideas) is fundamental to stacking and stringing them together in play.

When studying pure math, you'll find yourself proving identities that have already been proven and practicing applying (often in very clever ways) very small (little) units of truth (ideas) called axioms.

I find the Sil Lum Tao to be a very necessary abstraction in effectively establishing a set of assumptions/unit structures that can be stacked and strung together to problem solve. Where there have been contests have been in the validity of individual hand positions, approaches to executing them, etc. That said, there has been very little debate about the benefit of abstracting the concept of combat into separate layers that can be practiced individually (and consequently improved when in concert).

I see the phrase "little idea" to be a fairly transparent description of the form as a concise, tightly factored prime representation, of the unit structures of the art.

Hope this is helpful.

~ Alan

 

[guy b]

I'm late to this thread and catching up. That said, this seems like a good spot to share my interpretation of "little idea" as it relates back to mathematical and musical expression. The Sil Lum Tao, aside from structural benefits, offers a dictionary of simplified movements that are abstracted from application, and for good reason.

When practicing the piano, you'll find yourself working on very minute (and not very musical) technique. The substance of that technique varies from artist to artist, period to period, but the idea of simplifying and abstracting those movements into small (little) patterns (ideas) is fundamental to stacking and stringing them together in play.

When studying pure math, you'll find yourself proving identities that have already been proven and practicing applying (often in very clever ways) very small (little) units of truth (ideas) called axioms.

I find the Sil Lum Tao to be a very necessary abstraction in effectively establishing a set of assumptions/unit structures that can be stacked and strung together to problem solve. Where there have been contests have been in the validity of individual hand positions, approaches to executing them, etc. That said, there has been very little debate about the benefit of abstracting the concept of combat into separate layers that can be practiced individually (and consequently improved when in concert).

I see the phrase "little idea" to be a fairly transparent description of the form as a concise, tightly factored prime representation, of the unit structures of the art.

Hope this is helpful.

~ Alan

I don't mean to be rude, but it is not actually helpful in the slightest since you don't give any detail about the assumptions, unit structures, and concepts of combat that you mention. This would be the important bit.

 

[KPM]

I don't mean to be rude, but it is not actually helpful in the slightest since you don't give any detail about the assumptions, unit structures, and concepts of combat that you mention. This would be the important bit.

You've completely refused to give any details about WSLVT SNT's "little idea" after being asked multiple times. So probably better not to point fingers at others!

 

[guy b]

You've completely refused to give any details about WSLVT SNT's "little idea" after being asked multiple times. So probably better not to point fingers at others!

Didn't you notice it?

 

[KPM]

Didn't you notice it?

No. Please point it out where you went into detail.

 

[guy b]

It is discussed in detail on Lobo's thread

 

[KPM]

It is discussed in detail on Lobo's thread

Then please transpose it here in your own words where it is most appropriate since you have been asked that question multiple times on this thread. THAT is being honest!

 

[guy b]

Then please transpose it here in your own words where it is most appropriate since you have been asked that question multiple times on this thread. THAT is being honest!

SNT is all about training the elbow.

 

[KPM]

Wow! Such detail! Again, don't go pointing fingers at others for something you are guilty of yourself!