New video on Bong Sau by Alan Orr
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I thought we had already established that WSLVT lineage is the only branch of the family that thinks this way. The WSL/PB guys are the only ones that I have ever seen that are so hung up on this "application" thing. Again, your understanding of VT is not the gold standard and does not represent everyone's understanding of Ip Man's Wing Chun.
We've already had long belabored discussions here that have established that no one believes that other than you and LFJ. No need to rehash that again!
Not true. People here know you now Guy. They know exactly what I'm saying, and not saying, and why!
dudewingchun
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I disagree on all your thoughts about Alan and CSL wing chun.
Is that so? It seems you are the one that has recently posted leading questions on multiple threads trying to entice someone into arguing with you!
Do you believe the Lap Sau drill to be a beginners application drill?
Do you believe SLT is a beginner form? Just because a drill is not mastered does not mean it is not of value. That is the purpose of training, to improve.
Secondly you should define beginner...
Some guys, or a lot of guys, would probably call you a beginner so that begs the question. Are you doing lap sau?
In VT everyone should be doing the lap sau drill once they have reached the appropriate stage of development.
Alan Orr called the Lap Sau drill a beginners drill and characterised it as an application based drill in his system, which appears not to be VT. I am asking his student if he agrees with this in order to learn more about their system.
Alan Orr called the Lap Sau drill a beginners drill and characterised it as an application based drill in his system, which appears not to be VT. I am asking his student if he agrees with this in order to learn more about their system.
Very astute. You note that Alan Orr is not doing WSL-PB-VT. I'm glad you settled that!
On the other hand, I find a lot of Alan's CSL WC ideas very relevant to my VT...
...although I'm not sure my current instructor would agree. But then, my instructor is not my sifu, just a highly skilled kung fu brother I choose to learn from. Personally, I'm done with sifus. I think I prefer coaches these days.
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OK ...in the interest of full disclosure, my students call me "sifu". That may seem a bit hypocritical in light of my remarks above. It's just the tradition in our association. But I'm a "coachy" sort of sifu. Not a know-everything "guru" type of guy.
I don't necessarily see sifu in that sense. It is my teacher/coach that has on a personal level taken an interest in my life and shared pieces of his. His interest lies in my development not only as a student of WT but as a person. Of course this also comes with the fact that he rather see me finding things out on my own than taking his word for anything.
According to him we are not real martial artists or masters of anything until we stop believing what we hear and start experiencing and exploring things ourselves. Leaving those that simply copy him to pay the rent and train to their own delight in the meantime.
